FBI Informant Speaks About Shawano Hit-List

By: Mikel Lauber Email
By: Mikel Lauber Email

"Once I got the list, I knew I was in over my head”, says Bob Cameron. He’s the F.B.I. informant who claims he was an intended hit-man, hired to ‘take care of ‘ a list of 60 people in the Shawano Area. It has been just more than a month since the F.B.I. told those 60 people their names appear on a list of those who could be "targets of Federal crimes".

Cameron says he never had any intentions of hurting anyone. But Shawano Law Enforcement says a list of names the Canadian businessman received sparked the F.B.I.’s investigation.

Cameron says 3 years ago he agreed to sell the Samanta Roy Institute of Science and Technology more than $100,000 worth of go-karts for their USA International Raceway in Shawano. He claims he was never paid for those go-karts. So when S.I.S.T. called him this September for help with a lawsuit involving their racetrack, he says he saw it as an opportunity to get the money he claims they owed him.

Cameron says S.I.S.T. flew him to Shawano twice during the weeks that followed, where he met with key members of the group including Kal Gronvall, their C.E.O. Naomi Isaacson, and the group's leader, Avraham Cohen who they called 'the doctor'. Cohen formerly used the name Rama Behera and then Samanta Roy.

Cameron says he did whatever he could to earn their trust. "I pretended I believed”, Cameron said. “Like, Dr. Samantha Roy was, you know, Jesus Christ, a disciple of Jesus Christ. He's a form of Jesus Christ. I believed that."

Cameron claims along with religious teachings, they spoke to him often about their 'political problems' - struggles they'd had with community leaders for the past 30 years. "He started talking about the Mayor of Shawano”, Cameron said. “And how the police force and their - the authorities within Shawano are all out to get them."

Cameron says they discussed having him “take care of their political problems”, and the possibility of him loaning them $10 million dollars for their racetrack. But first, he says, he wanted the money he was owed. That's when he claims S.I.S.T. members started wiring large sums of money into his bank account, eventually totaling $175,000. Then he claims, Kal Gronvall faxed him a list of those who had been causing them problems, and who they wanted Cameron to “take care of”.

On top of the fax, the words “Red Rum” were printed, followed by 60 names, with their titles or interactions with S.I.S.T. Cameron says that’s when he knew the intention was murder. "I called him right back, and I just, and I said, You want me to kill 60 people? You want me to kill the whole town of Shawano”, Cameron says. "And so, the conversation persisted, ‘do you have guns?, Yes’ and he could get me guns. And he had a place to buy them and everything. So, it's - I knew exactly what the list was for at that time. And that's when I realized that I was in over my head. And I sent this to the authorities right away."

Cameron's claims have been strongly contradicted by S.I.S.T., who has made accusations of their own. Their C.E.O., Naomi Isaacson, said in a statement given to NewsChannel 7 and posted to a website registered to Kal Gronvall weeks ago, that Cameron stole the $175,000 from them under direction of Shawano City Officials. In the statement, Isaacson says the hit-list was created by Shawano leaders in order to create fear and chase S.I.S.T. out of Shawano.

S.I.S.T.’s attorney, Alan Eisenberg, calls Cameron’s claims “pure fantasy”. “I've never heard or read anything about ‘take care of, to murder’, Eisenberg said. He says he ‘absolutely’ denies Cameron was ever told that by anyone from S.I.S.T., and the F.B.I.’s investigation has not involved S.I.S.T. “Nobody from S.I.S.T. has been accused, nobody from S.I.S.T. has been questioned, nobody from S.I.S.T. is being investigated.”

Cameron claims his interactions with the group didn't end after receiving the list. He says he revealed to S.I.S.T. he had been cooperating with law enforcement, and days later, he claims his family was threatened. "Five days after getting the list, a rock went through my business in Canada”, Cameron said. “It said, "redrum." and it said, ‘61, 62, and 63’, and it had my wife and my boys on it - names on the rock.”

Cameron says his family was put into protective custody while he returned to Shawano, and worked with the F.B.I. to record conversations with Gronvall.

Eisenberg says Cameron's claims about the rock are news to him. "I don't know that a rock went through his window, I don't know what 61, 62, and 63 mean, I don't know what you're talking about”, Eisenberg said. “You're the first time I've ever heard any of this."

S.I.S.T. says Cameron, not their group, needs to be investigated. Besides the press release given to media members and posted to Gonvall’s website, Cameron claims group members have been calling his business associates and customers, accusing him of robbing them and being a terrorist.

Cameron says he regrets getting involved with the group, but he says the list fell into the right hands when it was given to him, and he's hopeful that the people on the list are safe. "I don't believe that they have anything to worry about, from the standpoint of the fact that this list is out in the open now”, Cameron said. “The authorities do have the list. And that if Doctor Samantha Roy and his group were going to do anything, they'd be the first people that the finger would be pointed at. So, I think they're pretty well to say they're safe."

The F.B.I.'s investigation into the list continues. An unnamed member of S.I.S.T. has been called a person of interest by Shawano Law Enforcement, but authorities tell us no arrests have been made in connection with the case, and no charges have been filed.

A copy of the list Cameron claims he was faxed, with the names removed, can be found by downloading the above file at the top of this story.

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