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    NEW INFO: Shawano City Council Meeting Held Under Tense Conditions Save Email Print
    Posted: 10:50 PM Nov 12, 2008
    Last Updated: 9:51 AM Nov 13, 2008
    Reporter: Mikel Lauber


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    The Shawano City Council held a regularly scheduled council meeting under some very tense conditions Wednesday night. "We are supporting the F.B.I., assisting them”, said Shawano Police Chief Ed Whealon, whose department was providing tight security and metal detectors for the council meeting. “If they need our help, we'll provide that assistance to them."

    A hit list uncovered by the F.B.I. has the names of 60 people from the Shawano community, including members of Law Enforcement, the Mayor, and other leaders present at Wednesday's meeting.

    At a meeting that NewsChannel 7’s Mikel Lauber was present for one week earlier, the City leaders and local residents on the list were told by the F.B.I. and local law enforcement to be vigilant and keep a watchful eye. At that meeting, law enforcement said The Samanta Roy Institute of Science and Technology, or SIST, was being investigated in connection to the list.

    Darlene sense, a member of S.I.S.T. seen holding a video camera in NewsChannel 7’s ‘Secrets in Shawano’ series came to Wednesday’s council meeting, but wouldn't respond to any questions about the investigation into S.I.S.T. She remained silent, videotaping reporters who questioned her and vehicles parked outside City Hall before she left.

    With the community uncertain of how real the threat is, or exactly who's responsible, local leaders just hope the community will be patient. "We ask you to have some faith in the city”, Whealon said. “And I think given enough time, we'll be fine."

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    Posted by: Cult Watcher Location: USA on Feb 9, 2009 at 06:51 AM
    If you study Cults you see common threads. The hysteria and paranoia that the members of SIST are exhibiting remind me of the days before the murders and mass suicides of Jonestown. Cults can take many forms: Religious, Monetary, Sexual. All are the same though, a way to control people and make the Cult Leader feel important. The good news is that we understand the dynamics of the Cult Mentality better now and hopefully can intervene before they don the jogging suits and line up their shoes at the end of their cots...

    Posted by: Elina on Nov 17, 2008 at 04:26 PM
    Rama's Rebuke Location: Here, There, and Everywhere on Nov 13, 2008 at 09:17 PM AWESOME Job! Thank you for further evidence of Rama's insanity. Well done!

    Posted by: michael Location: ft. hood tx on Nov 16, 2008 at 09:13 PM
    I am coming home on leave in a few days and this was the last thing expected to come home to. People are are hit lists for what, by some for lack of better words, nutjobs. Something has to be done about this they have been able to run around and do anything that they want for a long time with minor punishments. What type of message is this sending to people about opur town it is being called the new Waco. No one wants to visit a place like that, what they have done to our town is terrible.

    Posted by: T Location: Shawano area on Nov 15, 2008 at 07:26 AM
    I can tell you from first hand that the tacticts used by Rama's chronies by anyone else would be grounds for imprisonment. I've had them try and force us into dealings with property and when we said, "no, go away," they sat in vans accross from us and watched us with binoculars SEVERAL times. If they want something they use any means. If I sat with a loaded gun on my driveway I would be arrested but because I'm not a religeous cult I can't get away with it. What a joke. People say they don't hurt anyone and frequent their businesses but YES THEY DO. They don't hire outside of the cult and the empty businesses are driving good business away from what's becoming a ghost town. Would you want to live next to or work next to this crap? We got the hell out because it's obvious they get away with anything.

    Posted by: To:find the facts b4 u talk Location: Not in Shawano! on Nov 14, 2008 at 02:02 PM
    Thank you for bringing to light one of the most profound observations in life "What comes around, goes around"...Rama is getting only a smidgen of what he has sent around. He would have to be beaten with 2x4's, spit on, fed rotten food, called despicable names, made to pee/poop on himself and spend all weekend parking with his nose to a beam to start receiving a small portion of what he has given out. You obviously have a one-sided version of the story..listen to your parents and don't spread around your lies less they re-visit you!

    Posted by: The fool of Shawano Location: But not a rama-ite on Nov 14, 2008 at 01:02 PM
    If you are truly not a "rama" then you really have nothing to say to us ex-cult members. You would never be exposed to the truth of this group by just going to the gas stations to "support there gas station and have a good talk with the ladys there." What are you talking about with these ladies..since they are not selling you gas, are they selling you undisclosed services? Does Rama know you as a non-cult member is going to his gas stations and talking to "his ladies?" You better not let him "find you out!" If you think that the reason we continue to expose Rama is because we "cant take it that is why you are still going on for over 6 months" then fool is not a strong enough word to describe you. This has been going on for 35 years, many of us ex-members have finally found an avenue to expose him in the past 6 months. I never laugh at what you have to say..mostly I am deeply saddened by your inability to see the truth and your total lack of factual knowledge regarding Rama.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 14, 2008 at 08:21 AM
    Regardless of this list and whether or not it is true, we all know what Rama is capable of and what he has done for the last 35 years. Some of us grew up with guns in our lives while we were there. In the meetings, at home, in public, etc... And what the heck is he doing with 3 little girls all alone, away from their parents?! Anything we hear is not going to come to a surprise to any of us. We've been trying tell the world for decades!

    Posted by: Pride cometh before a fall on Nov 14, 2008 at 08:10 AM
    Someone (ie Shawano official/group member/ex group member) didn't do what he wanted = he's not in control = Rama's reason for violence

    Posted by: annon Location: Shawano on Nov 14, 2008 at 05:37 AM
    If I had armed guards at the enterance to my property, and someone came (standing at the roadside) and looked at my house/property. I believe I would be arrested for shooting at them! What makes it okay for them? What makes it okay to not pay taxes? What makes it okay to follow people home from their jobs with video cameras taking pictures of them? Seriously!? These people were kicked out of Minnesota, for what reasons? Maybe the same? I just think the FBI just needs to take care of the matters at hand, not people's gossip or rumors, but handle all the truths that come from this cult. Another (rumor) I had heard is there is no records of births or deaths from the compound. Not sure if its true, but that sounds sketchy too!?!

    Posted by: find the facts b4 u talk Location: shawano on Nov 13, 2008 at 11:58 PM
    Yes they do have gas... anyway I was at the restaurant next door to south station this morning, was informed that I shouldn't sit by the window cuz someone from the station may shoot. What a bunch of bull. I was pissed, packed my food up and told them that I or anybody I know were never coming back again. I went to the gas station, got gas and chatted with the gentleman there. I told him I was going back home and that I would be telling my children and all my people to come back and shop at these stations. In my opinion, u guys and ladies all need to chill out. We've known these people for years and they would never hurt a ant. Have a awesome day and remember what my parents always told me. "What comes around, goes around". Thanks :)

    Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 13, 2008 at 10:59 PM
    It's funny how the S.I.S.T. thinks they are above the law all the time! If the list and accusations have been made by Rama; I am confident that he will finally get his day and his followers will also suffer. Justice will be served. Good always prevails.

    Posted by: Rama's Rebuke Location: Here, There, and Everywhere on Nov 13, 2008 at 09:17 PM
    Rama! What happened now? Pay attention, and don't let your mind wander! Let these words sink deep into your heart: You are nothing but an arrogant loser and you don't know how to run a business or manage money. You caused your own businesses to fail. You are a miserable creature with a sick personality, and rather than admit your mistakes, you blame everyone and everything else. Your pathetic life is full of all that you have accused your loyal and devoted followers of: living a private life, going after the comforts and filthy lucre, selling the candies, spreading lies, being wise in your own eyes, losing favor, going on your own understanding, doing junk things, talking junk talk, being foolish, going after the world, seeking the flesh, clinging to your children, being friends with the heathens, doing the things, and justifying yourself! You are a psychopath, and the world will be a better place once you are either locked up or dead. Now go park & put your nose to the wall!

    Posted by: Interested Reader Location: Not there on Nov 13, 2008 at 08:08 PM
    I'm glad that this Shawano Cult is being investigated. Families have been torn apart because of the ideology that Rama, (Brother, Rama, Samanta Roy, Avraham Cohen....), whatever you want to call him, teaches. I hope that when he is convicted that the truth will also come out about how MGS was molested by ADV when she was underage, and how to cover it up, Rama divided the whole S and V family, to opposite coasts. Rama convinced ADV to be terrified of the entire S. family because of what he did to MGS. Rama also tried to divide the G and the K families. I hope Rama and the current cult members get what they deserve. Rama will be divided from his "cult family" as they should all be in separate prison cells.

    Posted by: To Anonymous on Nov 13, 2008 at 07:19 PM
    If words like "terrorist" bother you, then stop defending those who make terrorist impacts on you. You sound like a rama looking for a way to discredit the FBI when their job is not to find proof, but to investigate and collect evidence. Not to worry, the FBI will collect the evidence and turn it over to a Federal court who will say what is PROOF and what is not. Then and only then will you have your "proof." My guess is you will discredit proof and still believe the lies told to you now. The "hit list" is not bogus. It's the means by which innocent victims can be protected from evil crime perpetrators until the judge pronounces sentence.

    Posted by: to Anonymous on Nov 13, 2008 at 06:48 PM
    I doubt the FBI would have taken the time to talk to 60 people about a hit list that was simply based on media hysteria and hearsay.

    Posted by: to look like a fool Location: dont you want to know on Nov 13, 2008 at 06:40 PM
    The last time i check i was not a rama. You dont know who the hell i am so how can you say that. I go there to support there gas station and have a good talk with the ladys there. Guess what my last name is anderson. so does that make you look like a fool now. i am just sick about all the crap that you have to say about these people. You say i dont know them but i do know them very well. i can just see all the negative thing that you are going to send me back. go ahead i can take it all in. you cant take it that is why you are still going on for over 6 months. i love laughing at all of you looking like a fool.HAHA

    Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 13, 2008 at 04:53 PM
    interesting how words like terrorists and terrorism keep coming up--sounds like an effort to use the "terrorist" hysteria in this country to the advantage of people who have something against one or all of the people in the group. the whole deal about a "hit list" is so bogus. How about some real proof, instead of media hysteria and hearsay.

    Posted by: this is unbelievable on Nov 13, 2008 at 02:46 PM
    Putting people on a hit list is terrorism! If this was a Muslim group the nation would be all over it. To TIM who said someone must have done something to tick this group off-what do you think anyone did to deserve being put on a hit list? DO you think victims of terrorism in this nation (ie 9/11)and around the world somehow ask for or deserve unexcusable acts of violence??????? Terrorists don't need good reasons, in fact, they don't use reason at all

    Posted by: To: Don't you want to know Location: You look like a fool on Nov 13, 2008 at 01:49 PM
    You say "I go to there gas station everyday and have not be hurt by none of them." First off you must be a current cult member because of your very poor grammar. Secondly, why are you going to their gas station everyday when they aren't selling gas? Does one have to actually be physically hurt by them in order for you to think they are bad/hurtful people? And, you say, "just rememember you are responible for all the hurt you have done to these people." This is again a cult person comment. No, we are not and will not be responsible for the evils that Rama has played out in Shawano...the only harm we've done to these people is not shed light on the true Rama earlier. An orange jumpsuit awaits you Rama...I think you will look much better in orange than in your drab grey suits. And, you won't look quite as important and distinguished without your top hat! You better ask your followers to stock up on soap on a rope for you!

    Posted by: anonymous on Nov 13, 2008 at 01:36 PM
    I have to say, Darlene looks like the biggest moronic idiot i've ever seen w/ her stupid video cam... Dar - get a life!

    Posted by: TIM on Nov 13, 2008 at 01:31 PM
    I don't know the guy nor do I care to. (Rama) However, Someone must have done something to tick these people off because this from my understanding has been going on for years. It's also a good thing the FBI is stepping in to take things out of the Shawano Police department in view of the fact they are unable to correct the problems these people are having with the so called town officials. Furthermore a person or group of people just simply don't wake up one morning and decide to make "threats" all of this takes alot of tiiime.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 13, 2008 at 01:15 PM
    We dont want Rama to die, we want him brought to justice. Those who suffered at his hands want to see him in handcuffs and an orange jumpsuit

    Posted by: to dont you wish you knew on Nov 13, 2008 at 01:07 PM
    "If this person wanted to hurt someone he would have done it many many years ago." That is not quite true. Rama has become more and more desperate with group members leaving and his financial troubles increasing, and desperate people do desperate and criminal things

    Posted by: it doesnt matter on Nov 13, 2008 at 01:02 PM
    A common trait of abusers and controllers is that they hardly, if ever, accept responsibility for their actions, unless it makes them look good. As a pp said, its always the victims fault or someone else's fault.

    Posted by: to cult members on Nov 13, 2008 at 11:18 AM
    Rama's argument for decades is that any wrong he's done is someone else's fault. Now it looks like the excuse now is that he was set up. No one is buying those excuses anymore and neither should you. Wake up.

    Posted by: worried on Nov 13, 2008 at 10:11 AM
    Please, everyone reading these comments. You must realize they are from cult members - nobody else would support this man. He has committed heinous crimes and is now conveniently "hiding" on the east coast. I'm praying that nobody ends up hurt and his "holocaust" will at last be over.

    Posted by: dont what you to know on Nov 13, 2008 at 09:13 AM
    why are these business empty? because you as a city are trying to shut him down. The police investigated it how many time and found nothing. so what makes all of you think that they will find something now? I would like an answer a very good answer not all of the bs that is being said month after month. how do you know someone didnt set this person up?(rama) thats what it looks like

    Posted by: dont you wish you knew Location: bring it on on Nov 13, 2008 at 09:08 AM
    wow what a waste of time. If this person wanted to hurt someone he would have done it many many years ago. He is not a threat so get over it. I go to there gas station everyday and have not be hurt by none of them. you are just trying to take his business away. I just want all of you to remember there is a god and when he is at your door step just remember what harm you did to everyone in your life and to these people. I look at it as a waste of time. just rememember you are responible for all the hurt you have done to these people.

    Posted by: B Location: Shawano on Nov 13, 2008 at 08:26 AM
    This entire situation with Samanta Roy as he is called now is ridiculas. He has been trying to literally to take over our town. He has bought up so many homes & businesses & then leaves them all vacant. He blatently disregards any rules or regulations & does what ever he wants & then just pays fines after the fact. I have children here, this is a very nice close nit community. Now he has made it scary, who knows what this man is capable of. Something needs to be done! This has been on going with him for years.

    Posted by: swamper Location: shawano on Nov 13, 2008 at 06:45 AM
    Just look at ALL the properties in Shawano that Rama group has purchased and are and have been sitting empty. No one should buy anything from the businesses that these people have. Look what has just happened to our Ponderosa in this town. I have to pay taxes on my property and ALL his properties are just sitting empty. It is just too bad and maybe the FBI needs to act instead of talk. I understand about their on going investigation but after all these years something should have been done. Let us pray that with the involvement of the FBI that a stand is taken.

    Posted by: Becky Location: Stevens Point on Nov 12, 2008 at 10:56 PM
    This is SO SAD! Why can't law enforcement search the grounds? Alleged or not... Past the Statue of Limitation or not... Come on we all know that there is alot of bad going on here!

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