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    Secrets in Shawano: Part 4: Allegations From Inside Save Email Print
    Posted: 7:42 PM May 22, 2008
    Last Updated: 1:04 PM May 23, 2008
    Reporter: Mikel Lauber
    Email Address: mlauber@wsaw.com


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    Through our weeks of investigating, we’ve learned much about how the community of Shawano perceives Avraham Cohen and his followers, and heard a lot of rumors and speculation about what his group was all about.

    We found land records, tax documents, and court transcripts. We spoke to residents, community leaders, and law enforcement about their encounters with the group.

    Still, no-one knew exactly what happens inside the walls of their closely guarded community. But a glimpse may lie in accounts on file at the Shawano County Sheriff's Department, as told by people who grew up as the so-called "true disciples".

    No charges have ever been brought against Cohen's group, although former members told Shawano deputies about alleged abuse.

    We obtained public records from the Shawano County Sheriff's Department. The reports include interviews with several former members conducted in February of 2001. Many of the former members were juveniles at the time.

    Please see video and court documents, linked to below, for those accounts.

    While investigating this story, we made numerous attempts to ask Cohen's followers to clarify what goes on inside the group, but none would discuss it.

    We left business cards with employees at businesses owned by Avraham Cohen, and asked for calls back, but never received a response.

    We did receive one call from someone who said he was a current group member, but he refused to give any comments on the record. Cohen's attorney, Alan Eisenberg, told us he has never discussed religion with Cohen. He says he doesn't know of any 'group', or of any 'followers' of Cohen. Eisenberg has, so far, denied to comment on allegations.


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    Posted by: To: FreefromShawano on Jan 6, 2009 at 05:04 AM
    FYI, you really need some help...you probably should go get checked out.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 6, 2009 at 05:02 AM
    To wondering: No, all the members have their own houses and apartments. Their own families and homes. And they all live in different cities and states. Amazing, huh?

    Posted by: Linda Location: Keshena on Dec 18, 2008 at 09:31 AM
    This SIST group puts fear into people, but that's what they want. They want the city of Shawano to fear them and the people of Shawano go public with being afraid of this group. Why? This group is not going to do anything because they know that they will be the first to be accused. They don't want this kind of publicity.

    Posted by: wondering Location: CA on Dec 17, 2008 at 09:42 PM
    Do all the members of this organization live in the same house?

    Posted by: doesn't matter Location: earth on Oct 5, 2008 at 11:52 AM
    Shivalik colledge of pharmacy

    Posted by: FreeFromShawano on Sep 29, 2008 at 12:12 PM
    I certainly was not referring to Bharat & Ghana as persecutors. I meant the other "sons of Orissa" in general. What I believe happens when there is sufficient sin in a person or nation, God lifts his hand of protection and the enemy is allowed to bring evil, although it is not always the case that there is sin involved, such as the case with Job. But consider this passage -- who does is say brings the pestilence upon the people? 2 Chr 7:12 And the Lord appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice. 2 Chr 7:13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; 2 Chr 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

    Posted by: Anon on Sep 28, 2008 at 08:10 AM
    This man is a curse upon every family he touches.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 25, 2008 at 11:20 AM
    I am not surprised to hear about violence against Christians in Orissa. For years, one of the sons of Orissa, Rama Behera has passionately preached against the "evils" of Christianity. However, I disagree that any natural disaster in Orissa was wrought by God as a collective punishment for Orissa's persecution of Christians. No doubt the cyclone and flood caused the death and unspeakable suffering of the innocent in Orissa, including little children. I have a hard time believing that an all-knowing and wise God of mercy and compassion would cause immense suffering to people who clearly have done no wrong. I also would like to know which of Rama's relatives you are referring to. I knew a couple of Rama's brothers who now live in India and, unlike Rama, I never knew them to be unkind or violent.

    Posted by: joe on Sep 24, 2008 at 11:10 PM
    This is a full blown cult

    Posted by: FreeFromShawano on Sep 23, 2008 at 10:53 PM
    If Rama's relatives in Orissa cannot escape the wrath of God for their persecution of Christians, how will Rama escape? He won't! He had better repent of all his sins and come crawling to the cross of Jesus Christ, which he has mocked, and ask the Lord to forgive him. It's not too late for him to receive mercy, unless his heart is so hardened like Pharaoh's in Egypt.

    Posted by: FreeFromShawano on Sep 23, 2008 at 10:46 PM
    Have any of you seen the news about the part of India from which Rama came? First there was murdering and other cases of extreme persecution of Christians. Then there were severe floods that devastated multitudes. Now there is a plague of snakes that are swarming in the flood waters and killing people. I posted a comment on an Indian web site suggesting that there might be a connection. Here is an interesting response: "When the Australian Missionary Graham Stains and two sons were burnt alive, Orissa was devasted by a great cyclone. This time after burning , murdering and brutually raping the nuns, this flood is coming to Orissa. It is logical to think that this natural disaster is from the God Almighty, who cannot accept such cruel & violence happening in Orissa. The state govt. is not taken any action against Bajrang Dal or Safran Outfits. If this is the way God is answering the death cry of persecuted / burnt / raped nuns, this seems the Invited natural Disaster by ORISSA govt.

    Posted by: to Anonymous on Aug 21, 2008 Location: in the House of Blue Tarps on Sep 23, 2008 at 02:05 PM
    Thou art a proud member now, but stick around and when thy children become old enough to smart back at you, then shall the anger of Rama suddenly be kindled against thee for no reason and he shall turn thy precious children against thee and thy heart shall break. Yea, thy family life as it exists today shall then exist no more.

    Posted by: To cult member who told us to move on on Sep 18, 2008 at 06:23 PM
    Rama taught us to hate our parents and all family members, and to break all ties with our past, lest the iniquities of our fathers take us into eternal darkness. Then, he matched us all up and told us not to use birth control. Thirty years later many of these precious babies are his slaves, working 24/7 for not a cent. We parents who could not stand watching this left. Now he has taught our children to hate us and not speak to us. How can we be expected to move on and forget our children? I want to talk to all of my children in person as soon as possible -- please explain how I can do this.

    Posted by: To cult member telling us to move on on Sep 18, 2008 at 06:21 PM
    II Corinthians 11:13-15 "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." We were sucked in by the healings, miracles, prophecies, dreams, visions and interpretations, and hours and hours and hours of fanatical teaching. We did not know, or forgot, that Satan himself can be transformed into an angel of light.

    Posted by: To cult member telling us to move on on Sep 18, 2008 at 06:20 PM
    I have not kept up with this site for a month because I am one of those ex-members who was trying to forgive, forget, and move on. I happened to check it out today and I cannot remain silent. I came in 1974, a totally innocent young girl full of hopes and dreams and plans for my future, and seeking the Lord with all my heart. I had been raised in a Christian church but I did not know the Bible. So when this charismatic young Indian, claiming that he had had a vision of Jesus Christ, told me to quit college because it was not going to go well, I fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Within a few months, there were red flags flying all over, but none of us could see it, because we did not have enough discernment to see that II Corinthians 11:13-15 was happening before our very eyes.

    Posted by: Concerned citizen Location: Baltimore on Sep 18, 2008 at 12:06 PM
    Your days are numbered Brother Rama. Those that you have hurt over the years will see justice served upon you.

    Posted by: Lucifer Location: Blue tarps in BALTIMORE on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:58 PM
    Behold a vision from Moses hath come in Baltimore, and all the evil "backsliders" have surely fallen into the hands of satan. The postings are the words of satan. Your sins will find you out dr. "brain surgeon" aka, chester the molester mr extortion king. Go find your Sadhu minister to save you from the evil "christians" mr Cohen the jew, hindu, christian wannabe F@@@.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 25, 2008 at 06:35 AM
    How do you know what the younger ones remember?! First you can tell us about your life. Then we'll go get the real story from those who were REALLY there and tell you how much of a fraud you are. Come on!!! How dare you, no, how can you stoop so low as to attack the children?! They have no compelling reason to say what they remember, other than to get it off their chest and expose their truths. Who's the adult here? Leave them alone!

    Posted by: Elina on Aug 25, 2008 at 06:28 AM
    Is this what you consider moving on-reading our posts and then commenting? Thanks for the great example. But, I digress, please tell me how to do that. I could try to get rid of the triggers-no children crying, no skirt-wearers, no Indian accents, no churches, no hot sauce, unlimited access to bathrooms, etc... And so, so many more. As for the night though, how the heck do you GET RID OF NIGHTMARES! Especially ones where you wake up sobbing, or hitting the wall, or clenching your jaw so hard it hurts for days after. Or just a general feeling out of nowhere that comes after you, of being chased, looking over your shoulder, as if everything you do is under scrutiny. Being afraid of people or having authority issues. A huge one!! Can't trust a gall-darn soul in this world, Rama's or mine, or so it may seem some days. Excepting family and friends.

    Posted by: Gazing with sadness Location: at the Forever Unfinished House of Tarps on Aug 24, 2008 at 11:55 PM
    oh yes, Rama loveth the man who leaveth His Presence and "moveth on" for then shalt the evil ways of Rama never be known beyond the Land of Blue Tarps, and no man shall then know that Rama enslaveth his people in his businesses, rapeth his people of any savings and credit, and stealeth and destroyeth families with all courage and conviction. Come now thou followers of Cohen! Rama hath become like unto King Saul of the days of old. How long wilt thou weep for Rama seeing the Lord has rejected him ? (Because Rama hath rejected the Lord for personal gain and the almighty dollar.)

    Posted by: No_Rama_Fan on Aug 24, 2008 at 07:22 AM
    -CONT. Rama’s past actions continue to affect Ann’s children today and that’s why they have every right to voice their opinion. Ex: arranged marriage of incompatible persons, effect of abuse. You mention that most of Ann’s kids were too young to remember—kids remember a lot more than you think. The youngest was probably 5 or 6 years old when they left. That is not too young to remember traumatic events. Regardless of whether they remember or not, Rama continues to be physically, verbally and emotionally abusive and everyone has a right to voice their opinion of a person of such low moral character.

    Posted by: No_Rama_Fan on Aug 24, 2008 at 07:16 AM
    Would you think of telling the Catholic priest sex abuse victims to “take it for what its worth and move on?” Would you think of telling them to only remember the good things the priest taught and did and to forgive, forget and bury the hurt and the violence deep inside? I don’t think you would! I think you would say that no matter what good deeds the priest has done, he ought to be held accountable for such abuse and for covering it up. And any other person in a position of religious or moral authority should be held to the same standard. One of Ann’s kids was sexually abused and Rama covered it up along with other sex abuse he knew was going on and he never so much as rebuked the perpetrator! This child of Ann’s, and all of her siblings, have every right to feel resentful to the perpetrator and to Rama who covered it up—all people she trusted to love and protect her. Rama’s past actions continue to affect Ann’s children today CONT-

    Posted by: to Proud to be a Current Member on Aug 24, 2008 at 12:32 AM
    I am curious to know why you are proud to be a current member. If it is because you are a member of a small sometimes tight-knit group of good-hearted people that have a set of common beliefs in God and other experiences that set you apart from others, I understand why you would be a proud member. But I don't understand how you at all could be proud of your leader! Any "good" he taught can easily have been learned from any good parent or teacher or mainstream church leader. It's only because he was so hyped up to a godlike/celebrity status that you give him so much extra credit for minor good things he does for people. How can you be proud of a man who never finished his schooling, yet claims to be a neurosurgeon, an owner of hospitals, and a teacher at a University in India all at the same time! Why does he not proudly tell his Baltimore friends that he leads a flock of followers of the Lord Jesus Christ? Is he ashamed of you and Jesus Christ? Shame on him!!!

    Posted by: Tabitha on Aug 23, 2008 at 12:07 AM
    Of course we supported it, we were kids and when you're kids you follow and don't think anything of it. But now that we're older, we see the lies, the control, instead of living in automation. We've always believed in doing what was taught because we respect. But our respect was abused and therefore we no longer respect Rama. We realized that his rules, his ways, and what he said God wanted us to do, was ultimately to hype us up so that he could benefit. Don't you realized the sting of that betrayal? If he cared so much about getting us to heaven why didn't he do things to foster healthy lives and relationships? Instead he yelled, hit, manipulated, told mothers not to hold their babies, not to listen to our basic body functions in terms of food, sleep, and going to the bathroom. He set people who struggled with certain temptations and intense issues right in front of those things just so they'd fall. The Bible which is what he preached, says to RUN from sin always!

    Posted by: Ann Location: With my kids on Aug 22, 2008 at 11:55 PM
    Why is it interesting to you now, "Anonymous" three weeks after the July 29th post? Why didn't you respond 3 weeks ago? I'll tell you why-Rama gave you more to say. You're coming after "Ann's kids" when nearly everyone who has left the cult has posted on this site. Mine have been the few who've dared to say who they are, though I understand remaining anonymous. Many of us tried just "moving on." Have you heard of PTSD? That's what we have-and you would realize you have it too if your mind was opened. We can't "get over" how abused and manipulated we were, and care enough to try to help all of you see it. Remember how Rama used to rant about Catholics and Lutherans and all the "evil" they had done. He could never stop talking about it, nor about "evil" done by deprogrammers. Not to mention all the nasty stuff he said about & to the brethren and their children, in the name of "truth." He can dish it out but can't take it! The truth hurts, doesn't it?

    Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 22, 2008 at 04:13 PM
    I think at 8, I'm old enough to remember abuse. No matter how old we were it was still wrong and I still remember beatings--that others don't remember. How dare you say something so wrong, evil and ignorant about us. You are just being mean to us, when really "anonymous", we weren't mean to you and there's no point in trying. We're trying to help you, not hurt you, why do the same? Are you really a good person if you would attack people like that? Of course the older two would get that worked up against him, because they had loved him so much and he turned around and destroyed them. How can they not get worked up, angry and try to help?! Have you ever known anyone to move on and not tell their story? I, personally, have only met people who have truly moved on, who have talked. Haven't you ever read books about the Holocaust like we were suppose to? Yea, those people told their story, why can't we?

    Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 21, 2008 at 07:43 PM
    Interesting how opinionated Ann's kids are about all of this. I knew them pretty well back in the day and the two older ones in particular used to get just as worked up in support of Dr. Cohen, particularly the two oldest ones. I am proud to be a current member and just a little middle of the road comment. I always respected the people who left and simply moved on. You know, take it for what it was worth and keep going. You people should really move on with your lives. Btw, Ann's youngest kids were hardly old enough to remember anything from those days. All of their comments are based on what other people told them.

    Posted by: Sheba on Jul 29, 2008 at 11:54 PM
    I think that's the point Tabitha was trying to make, that it's ridiculous to say that seventy-year olds had made up the site, when Kal himself made up another bogus site. Oh Kal needs to get a real life and not one of fiction writing to destroy peoples' lives. Maybe he'll be the next L. Ron Hubbard-oh wait that's pretty much Rama.

    Posted by: to Tabitha on Jul 28, 2008 at 10:39 AM
    they are not seventy-year olds who wrote that - its Rama via Kal who wrote that. come on, we all sat in the meetings where "the word of the Lord came" to Rama to say what to Shawano officials in "publications", and Rama assigned Kal to be the scribe because he used to be an english teacher. when's kal going to realize he's just being used and will soon be thrown to the dogs. WAKE UP AND GET OUT OF THERE! the brethren who left sooner, the better off they are

    Posted by: Tabitha Location: Hmm on Jul 25, 2008 at 09:53 PM
    Good stuff, "Guess Who". Gus and Meg are probably reading all this right now. In their seventies they say? I don't know a lot of seventy year olds that make websites about cities, do you?

    Posted by: Guess Who on Jul 23, 2008 at 05:50 AM
    Check out this website also http://www.shawano-wisconsin.com/index.html

    Posted by: web Location: funny on Jul 19, 2008 at 08:06 AM
    the fake websites thought up by fake jew dung brother and his boyfriend kalmar goat show just how far these madmen will go to protect their cowardly schemes. they are only fooling themselves--nobody else out here is fooled! cowards. the LAW will find them out.

    Posted by: re Cyberbullying Location: Shawano on Jul 17, 2008 at 10:56 PM
    If anyone wants to see a good example of Rama cyberbullying go to his website at www.whatyoushouldknowaboutshawano.com You will see a perfect example of the kinds of names Rama calls people (members, ex-members, outsiders) when he doesn't get his way and when people don't bend/break the rules to fit his demands. If Rama has "been oppressed" by the city of Shawano for 32 years why would he choose to, after 25 years of "oppression", buy businesses in a city that "oppresses" him? It wouldn't make much business sense to buy in Shawano if "oppression" did exist.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 17, 2008 at 09:14 PM
    I've seen swearing on here, especially with "smaller" swear words such as ass.

    Posted by: the jew wannabee on Jul 17, 2008 at 11:08 AM
    hey SHEBA... of course God knows.... hatred???, yeah may be a bit strong... ANGER more likely. And you spell a** because the www.wsaw.com moderator is keeping lewd and angry text to a minimum. So if you want to spell out something about s*** / it won't print if you actually write it out. And I can gaurantee you if these people were all face to face everyone would be saying exactly what they wanted and YES GOD KNOWS... tell ya the truth - I am sure HE is more mad then us all.

    Posted by: Sheba Location: mn on Jul 17, 2008 at 07:27 AM
    wow look who's swearing now! Just because you bleep it out doesn't mean God doesn't understand it. He understands your hatred and what you mean by saying "a--". honestly if you're going to fake swear, you may as well just swear.

    Posted by: Ann Location: If I had known . . . on Jul 16, 2008 at 09:30 PM
    If I had known some of this stuff, I might have left earlier. I was having serious doubts in the late 80s, but I kept looking for "proof positive." Never saw it until after I left. I think Rama purposely didn't say some of these appalling things around us midwestern, salt-of-the-earth, raised as Christians people because we would have been shocked. Also, Rama used to tell us not to teach our kids the "facts of life" to keep them pure, or so I thought. I realize now that it was so when Rama spoke so exceedingly inappropriately, the children wouldn't know it was wrong. They wouldn't have learned about it from us, including warning them about "dirty old men"--which is what he is!!! A dirty old man!!!

    Posted by: from the jew wannabee on Jul 16, 2008 at 08:25 PM
    hey troy .... shut up

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 16, 2008 at 02:59 PM
    You're real creative Anonymous. LMAO - WOW!

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 16, 2008 at 09:56 AM
    Yawnnnnnnnnnnn man you are all getting boring. new subject plz. oh and "the Devil" mite want to pull his head out of his a-- for more than 2 seconds

    Posted by: Elina on Jul 16, 2008 at 08:55 AM
    If Rama is such a good person, how is it that when you do a search on the internet that absolutely nothing positive comes up about him. For someone so special, you would think he has done some good deeds, enough to be publicized. But no, it's all bad, really bad. Whereas, his son is nothing but positive. Hmmm.

    Posted by: know it all now Location: in the meeting room on Jul 15, 2008 at 11:04 PM
    right on devil! I got "excused" from health class because they talked about sex but I learned all the good stuff from rama in the meeting talking to all the "whores". kept the meeting interesting, lol

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 15, 2008 at 07:35 PM
    Okay Anonymous riding the high and mighty. You have got to be kidding me! Most of the words that come rambling out of your leader's mouth are to disturbing and inappropriate to even repeat on here. They wouldn't make the cut...and you are going to say you can't imagine what is said in our homes! I can't imagine what kind of psychotic rants have been screamed at the so called prayer meetings the past few weekends by the child molesting profit you all bow to! You may want to pull your head from Rama's darkside while you still have the chance.

    Posted by: Anonymous Location: In a gas station back "living" room on Jul 15, 2008 at 06:20 PM
    We are repeating what we've heard Rama say for almost 35 years- DUNG. IF Rama is so wonderful that is worth your time posting here in his defense GO BACK THERE FULL TIME. The dedicated full-timers and slaves and ex-members can't stand your hypocrisy. Enjoy ALL the precious abusive name-calling moments you can with him.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 15, 2008 at 05:39 PM
    everyone starting to sound like kids who repeat everything they hear especially swear words. cant imagine what you say at home. i feel sorry for your kids if you have them. must be good examples for them

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 15, 2008 at 03:13 PM
    Call NOW or you will go to hell! Collection will be made via the big white bucket!

    Posted by: New Income Opportunity Location: Shawano/Baltimore on Jul 15, 2008 at 01:24 PM
    A new income opportunity for Brother hath been made known from the porcelain throne! For daily permission to eat, sleep, breathe, shower, and eliminate, thou shalt call Brother at 1-900-RAM-DUNG. If it's busy, call 1-900-EAT-DUNG. Charges will be assessed by the minute. All income generated will be sent to "the school in India." Failure to call will result in rebukes and name-calling in the next meeting.

    Posted by: Use your minds clones Location: MN/SD/WI/Nowhere on Jul 14, 2008 at 11:17 PM
    Listen up again clones. The person you are following keeps wanting you NOT to read the news, keep up on real current events, or use your brains. If you stick to listening to him, you are stuck there forever. If you are using the internet, use it to get real information. Go to www.google.com and type in robie samanta roy or any other name you are interested in and SEE FOR YOURSELF what the real truth is. I dare you to have the courage to do it. Knowledge is power. Truth beats deception any day of the week. All you tough guys who think you can bully us are sadly wrong--you're just cowards and your tough talk doesn't work on real people living in the real world. Bring it on--nobody's scared. GET OUT OF THERE ALREADY. you don't deserve to live that way anymore. Seriously. Use the internet as a powerful tool to find out the TRUTH rather than believing LIES that aren't based on anything true at all. Brother Fake Jew Coward--go back to India where you belong. OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!

    Posted by: Elina on Jul 14, 2008 at 07:35 PM
    Good call on the "hypocrites" thing. One of the reasons why I left was because we had gotten a t.v. and started watching it. I felt so guilty and realized I had to live one life or the other. In no way could have I lived a double life. I felt incomplete and anxious, as if some weekend the "Lord" would tell Rama and fire and brimstone would come down on me. What kind of life is that?

    Posted by: Elina on Jul 14, 2008 at 07:32 PM
    Why Bill E. left: Rama and some of the brethren were down by one of the caterpillars on a Saturday night and it was out of gas. Later, Bill saw Rama have Lu. B. fill it up. The next morning Rama had a bunch of the brethren come down and look at the caterpillar. He announced that a "miracle" had occured and the Lord had filled it up. B.E. realized the sham and never came back. I wonder how many other "miracles" worked this way?

    Posted by: social bullying on Jul 14, 2008 at 12:56 PM
    add to SOCIAL BULLYING-publicly teasing and making derogatory remarks to married couples about their intimate life.

    Posted by: Censored on Jul 14, 2008 at 12:22 PM
    VERBAL BULLYING: calling KG a greasy pig bottom…<< nasty example deleted >>…calling AB swine……<< another nasty example deleted >>…telling mothers that it would have been better if their children had never been born…accusing brethren’s wives of being in heat…the list is endless. SEXUAL BULLYING: << incriminating examples deleted >>…asking wives about sexual relations with their husbands…asking GL about oral sex… influencing wives to stop sexual relations with their husbands… FINANCIAL BULLYING: Pressuring members to take out huge 2nd and 3rd mortgages on their homes…constantly in debt…using members’ credit cards without permission…requiring public announcements of gift amounts in the meetings…not paying back loans…burning people’s belongings…etc.

    Posted by: Trying again on Jul 14, 2008 at 12:17 PM
    Cyber Bullying…hey, coin a cool new phrase as a smoke screen to defend your beleaguered leader. Good idea! Okay then, let’s talk about bullying. TELE-BULLYING: screaming over the phone at members for some slight infraction of a rama-rule. SOCIAL BULLYING: << personal reference deleted >>…arranged marriages with incompatible partners…forbidding interaction with family members…forbidding birth control…absurd dress code…teaching children to hate and not speak to their parents…teaching children that the parents have cursed them and are the source of all their problems…telling children to snort at B family members… the list goes on.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 14, 2008 at 11:15 AM
    Patriotic! That's hilarious! First off there have been no postings that I have read stating that OLD DUMBO wasn't patriotic. So, since there haven't I felt I should make sure and state it since you brought it up. If being patriotic means using the constitutional right to freedom of religion to exploit humans for everything their worth, destroying families, and molestation of women and children...then OLD BIG EARS is the most patriotic person I have ever met. That piece of crap will be rebuked and bad mouthed by me until the day I die. And if somebody wants to call me a bully cause of it...Then I am proud to be a BULLY of the RUDUMBO! You current members that come on here to defend your sick leader are just tools in his workshop...and I fell sorry for you. You can't see past all of the lies that you post on here because you've been smothered in lies since the day you were born...or joined the cult (for the ones who weren't born into this)! Wake up!

    Posted by: to also proud military member on Jul 14, 2008 at 11:07 AM
    There were 4-6 brethren's sons who joined the military, not because it was generally "the easy way out" of life (it's not) but because it was the easiest way to leave the Shawano misery without angering Rama (I do not doubt the young men's patriotism). You do not want to anger Rama! I believe Rama thought the military was ok for the brethren's sons (not daughters!) because the military is full of orders and rules which Rama is quite fond of. Patriotism? Listen to Rama's rants sometime about the evil Christian nation of ours and then in the next breath he's talking about buying American made products. Inconsistencies!

    Posted by: Exposing the hypocrites Location: Wisconsin/Minnesota on Jul 14, 2008 at 08:49 AM
    To all of you who are loyal to Rama but don't consistently go to Shawano: You are HYPOCRITES! How dare you fault ex-members for exposing the truth, when you don't even follow the rules full time? You defend Rama but during the week you watch TV, go to bars, drink alcohol, smoke, don't wear the Shawano skirts and blouses, don't put your hair in a bun, eat forbidden food, and socialize with outsiders. If Rama and his ways are so great, WHY DON'T YOU GO BACK THERE FULL TIME? Until you do, you have no right to fault others. If I was a full-time member following the rules, I would hate you for coming there and putting on your weekend act, then going home and doing whatever you please. HYPOCRITES!

    Posted by: Been there Location: Done that on Jul 14, 2008 at 08:34 AM
    Brother has been corrupted with his own power. Brother has taught that "the devil comes to you through your mind". So anytime any of his followers have a critical or doubtful thought, or question his activities or motives, they are immediately struck with deep guilt for letting "the devil" give them these bad thoughts, and they "pray against them." So Brother can say and do whatever he pleases. No one dares to question him. Many of the followers feel deep conflict over how Brother has changed everything over the years, but their brain short-circuits to bypass any critical thought. The only way they can free themselves is to allow their minds to examine the issues and what is really going on. Brother is not a god! Brother is a man, subject to sin just as all people!

    Posted by: Also a proud military member on Jul 14, 2008 at 07:56 AM
    Noone forced or coerced me into joining the military, I consider the decision to join 100% mine and mine alone. I am tired of people saying that I joined because it was the easy way out, or etc. BS I all along knew what I wanted to do, and am very proud of my deceision. Leaving for me had nothing to do with my upbringing, nothing to do with my religion, and nothing to do with the person we followed. I like many young men, wanted to be a part of this countries history, and chose that the service was my calling. For you folks who say that the leader is not patriotic, I couldnt agree with you less. We all know that he tended to stay away from foreign made products. I know the way that I was treated by society was more painful than anything from Shawano. Maybe some of you bullies out their should remember what it felt like to have people picking on you from the outside, how upset and hurt it made you feel. Whos to say that current members arent going through the same thing

    Posted by: Proudly Served In The United States Military on Jul 13, 2008 at 11:04 PM
    You all say that the exmembers are making up lies, but what is it that ANYONE has to gain by lying except the members that are currently still abusing the innocent children. And to those of you that think the current members serving in the Armed Forces, next time you see them ask them to honestly tell you if it was there choice and their choice ALONE to join. Bets are noone had the choice of there own. I PROUDLY served the great country of the United States of America and wouldn't change that.

    Posted by: To: Cyber Bullyinh on Jul 13, 2008 at 10:49 PM
    PHYSICAL BULLYING: beatings with hands, boards, frayed electrical wires…use of cattle prods…depriving members of sleep and food…denying use of bathroom for long periods of time…members forced to kneel or stand for hours on bare wooden floors…access to only one communal bathroom for dozens of people…extremely long lines…Tang-only diet…no heat in the meeting room till end of February…etc. So keep up your feeble attempts to protect Rama…it helps to bring more light on the subject.

    Posted by: To: Cyber Bullyinh on Jul 13, 2008 at 10:48 PM
    NUTRITIONAL BULLYING: force feeding members heavy cream, fudge, full-fat milk, full-fat cheese, fat-laden steaks, deep fat fried foods, high-fat/high-sugar Sara Lee products, chips, soda, with assurances that it is optimal nutrition American food (“don’t listen to all the lies in the media!”) while charging premium prices for every bite to build “the school”. MEDICAL BULLYING: prescribing the multi-level marketing nutritional products being sold “for the benefit of ‘the school’” while discouraging insurance and traditional medical practice (because Rama is too busy with all his businesses to pray)…telling mothers to bear children at home without doctor or midwife…withholding medical assistance to dying babies (“just let him go”). RELIGIOUS BULLYING: Telling the members they will go to hell if they leave…teaching the lie that all Christians are evil…brainwashing members with a bizarre mixture of Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity, and Ramaism.

    Posted by: True story Location: Red carpet room, 1979 on Jul 13, 2008 at 06:29 PM
    Once there was a certain woman, who had lived in the land of Michigan, whom the Lord had blessed with many children. As the brethren were gathered to sing, pray, and hear the Word of Rama, the woman's baby was tired and hungry, so the woman stood in the back by the door, holding and comforting him. Suddenly, the wrath of Rama was kindled against the woman, and he spoke forth in a loud voice, "Why are you holding the baby? Stop "clinging" to your child! You are putting your spirit on him!" So the woman placed her baby son on the floor and was exceedingly sad, for she was a loving mother with a kind spirit who wanted to nurture her child. And the other mothers heard the harsh rebuke, and they were aggrieved, for they knew they needed to hold their babies and were being commanded by Rama not to do so. [this was one of Rama's methods of dividing parents and children, by hindering and preventing the natural bonding process.]

    Posted by: to Rama the HYPOCRITE Location: Hiding behind women and children on Jul 13, 2008 at 02:36 PM
    Wha hoppen now, Rama? Have you been doing the things? Can't you handle, just for a few weeks, being called the names you regularly called little children for over 30 years? -"Mr. Dung/Dungy, Dangy", "Mickey Mouse(ears)", "devil boy", "bastard", "little whore", etc. etc. You named a little boy Nachshon and then you went on to regularly call him "obnoxious, noxious, Nachshon". What a bully! How cruel. And you "man" cannot handle a few weeks of truth-telling which you are now calling "cyberbullying"? Unbelievable. SO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS! You so call preach fidelity in marriage and family values. Tell us, WHERE IS YOUR WIFE LIVING? With you? You publicly and harshly rebuked parents for their sin and disobedience when their children left the fold and disobeyed Your Word. You said these parents had cursed their children and that is why they left or became disobedient. Tell us, o righteous one, WHERE IS YOUR SON? WHY HAVEN'T YOU SPOKEN TO HIM FOR 10 YEARS? What are your sins?

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 12, 2008 at 11:02 PM
    Cyber Bullying...WOW! It's called the assertion of truth about a sick bastard who has destroyed human lives for over 35 years now. And you dare to come on here and talk about cyber bullying! That is just idiotic. I think child molestation is a little higher up on the spectrum than a little name calling. I believe I heard worse language when I went to grade school. WAKE UP AND GET OUT OF THE CULT! Only a cult member would make such an intellegent comment about CYBER BULLYING. DOWN WITH THE CHILD MOLESTER! TO THE GALLOWS!

    Posted by: True Story Location: Days Inn, Orlando, Florida, 1981 on Jul 12, 2008 at 07:44 PM
    In days of old, Rama and certain of the brethren journeyed afar to the land of the South in a caravan of station wagons, Cadillacs, and large chariots. At eventide, Rama and the brethren sought refuge at an inn, for they were weary from their journey. While the maidens were carrying garments into the inn, Rama's anger was kindled greatly against one of the young maidens. And behold, Rama cried out with a loud voice, before the maiden’s father and other men, and spake saying, "Why are you outside? Why don't you go and be a cheap whore in the highway?" And the maiden was sore afraid and perplexed, and she wept bitterly, for she was a virgin and knew not the ways of whores, neither had she known any man, and she understood not why this "prophet" spake in such manner of evil filth. The maiden’s father held his peace, and dared not to speak against the words of the GREAT PROFIT, for behold, her father was also in great distress.

    Posted by: Chronicles of Ramdam II Location: In the meeting room on Jul 12, 2008 at 05:02 PM
    -cpntinued. And it came to pass as the spirit of jealousy vexed Rama exceedingly sore, the anger of Rama was kindled against the Man and Wife and he lifted up his voice and cried aloud to Man in the assembly of worshipers, “You just want to serve that junk whore by licking her bottoms!” And the Man bowed his head in obedience and shame and silently wept. The Man rose early in the morning to return to Minnesota and he was in bitterness of soul and of a sorrowful spirit.

    Posted by: Chronicles of Ramdam I Location: In the meeting room on Jul 12, 2008 at 04:53 PM
    Now there was a certain Man from the hill country of Minnesota . He had one wife and the Lord had blessed him with many sons and daughters. And this Man went up week by week to worship the Lord of hosts in Shawano. And the Man brought sin offerings and peace offerings and gifts of tithe and labor to the High Priest whose name was Rama, the brother of Bharat, the brother of Ghana from the 3rd world country of India. Now Rama had a wife and two children. And it came to pass when Rama lifted up his eyes and saw how the Lord had blessed the Man with a fair and godly wife and many fair children, the spirit of jealousy came upon Rama and the Man vexed him sore. And Rama spake unto the Man and Wife and condemned them for their sin and ungodliness and for “being sensual”. And it came to pass on the second day of the weekend all the people from the hill country of Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan gathered to pray and worship the Lord of hosts in Shawano. continued-

    Posted by: Cyber Bullyinh on Jul 12, 2008 at 04:18 PM
    It appears that this television station is very well supporting cyber bullying. It is very apparrent that all these people posting are just like a bunch of kids trying to bully each other. It is time somebody puts their foot down on this. It is plain rediculous. Sound like the ex members are doing more harm than they say their former leader did. This is no longer fact gathering it is just a bunch of threats, name calling, etc. Another name for all of this is cyber bullying. Looks like somebody wants to be held accountable for extensive harassment. TV channel go ahead and continue you support of bullying wait til word gets out about tht.

    Posted by: seriously people on Jul 12, 2008 at 03:07 PM
    Listen up rama clones: Just remember to call your family and other people who are on the "outside" to help you out, when you finally get fed up with the lies and constant deceit and confusion in shawano. You will see what it is like to be around people who care for you, and you will see what it is like to have a life! Who you call "Brother" is really a THIEF. Fake Jew Rama is a fraud and a coward who JUST WANTS YOUR MONEY. He will take your money for as long as you agree to give it to him. When you stop giving money to that dirty maggot molester and child rapist, he will kick you out. You should have learned that already from the many times that has already happened to people who are now gone. Wake up! And get out of there! People will help you as soon as you contact someone! And as for you, Dung Brother, get back to the mud hut and sewage infested village, Rama you Great Faker!

    Posted by: Nun Location: Behind the annex on Jul 12, 2008 at 12:24 PM
    A lie only because it is disgusting, filthy, unfavorable and TRUE! Elina lied of course because Rama didn't call it a vagina he called it a "hole". We all knew the lingo from the context-"tops", "bottoms" "did you go inside/did he go inside" Rama talked about putting hot sauce on a brethren's wife why wouldn't he talk about putting hot sauce on nuns who he detested? Get a grip people, you adore a creep!

    Posted by: Law Abiding Citizen Location: Brown County on Jul 12, 2008 at 09:54 AM
    Hey Kal! Wha hoppen now? You used to be a decent, respectable man. Now you have a rap sheet a mile long! And you just got caught by law enforcement knowingly breaking the law AGAIN by driving after your driver's license has been REVOKED! What kind of testimony is that? You know you wouldn't be driving if Rama didn't give you TASKS you better do or else. Could you say, "Brother, I can't drive anymore, I don't have a driver's license"? NO, if you said that you would get REBUKED. You have to say "Yes brother" and drive anyway, even though you know it is wrong and you will get caught sooner or later. You need to start thinking for yourself again and stop letting Rama turn you into a criminal! WAKE UP PEOPLE!

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 12, 2008 at 04:03 AM
    Elina is so not the sick one, you are and so is Rama if you don't believe her then just watch him in a few weekends, when he's not watching himself (which I'm sure he's more likely to do for a little while).

    Posted by: The_Seeker Location: United_States on Jul 12, 2008 at 01:21 AM
    Class? Class? Class? SHUT UP!!!!! Thank you. How can anybody who thinks himself to be a victim of racism then go on to talk about class? Don't you know about the many problems pertaining to any class-ridden society? You complain about racism and then extol the virtues of the class-ridden society.

    Posted by: Elina on Jul 11, 2008 at 08:28 PM
    Uuhhhh, he said it so many times and I'm sure many, many others can back me up about the nun thing. How can you not remember? Or be hearing it even right now? Deaf

    Posted by: to Anonymous on Jul 9, 06:15 PM Location: eating fries on Jul 11, 2008 at 11:18 AM
    The reason there are no more rations is because you now have to pay Rama for every bite you eat! And he will make sure you eat "no, no, no, thank you brother, no more fries" "Oh yes, yes, yes" he says with a gleeful smile and dumps another basket of fries on the garbage bag. Rama will fatten you up, enrich himself, ruin your self esteem and make fun of you for your weight especially women. He decided one young woman was too fat and made dirty comments to her about her "watermelons hanging down" Then he put her on a Tang-only diet and almost killed her! Diet and exercise, nonsense!

    Posted by: Dr. Satan Location: petting the goat on top of dumbo's limousine on Jul 11, 2008 at 10:14 AM
    Ahha. And we see hear doctor doolittle the EXTORIONIST FRAUD has turned off the internet at the zoo. The puppets and parrots hath been silenced. BUT WHY?? Too much truth has been exposed. You see DUMBO? YOUR SINS WILL FIND YOU OUT!!! WHAT YOU SOW YOU HAVE TO REAP!!! Now nothing to say, back into the tunnels to hide behind skirts and children. Obviously they cannot say one D*** thing because the postings of the cursed ex-zombies are 1000% TRUE!!! Looks like you have been backed into a corner dr "brain surgeon" What are you going to say to that? Its nice to see you in hiding, waiting for an opportunity to start the name calling and rediculing again. But alas, now the truth is spoken and your lies have found you out. CHESTER THE MOLESTER! Again the colors of the cameleon are exposed. He has nothing to say to the truth. maybe you should pull out your bigot race card again. Put a diaper back on your head and get back into your tunnel. I AM WATCHING YOUR DR. FRAUD!!!

    Posted by: YOU'RE THE SICK ONE Location: FAR FROM ELINAS LIES forever! on Jul 11, 2008 at 09:31 AM
    ELINA, U R DEFINITELY THE SICK ONE!!! WHAT A LIE and how disgusting. Just goes to show how disgusting these ex-members are compaired to other many many ex-members who obviously have WAY more class.

    Posted by: to Anonymous re Gronvall family on Jul 11, 2008 at 09:26 AM
    So brothers are supposed to pay child support for little sisters???? That thoroughly illogical and absurd idea surely came from Rama and you think his words are so holy and infallible you don't even dress it up to make sense.

    Posted by: to Hey Dan Jul 8, at 06:40 PM on Jul 11, 2008 at 12:40 AM
    "Don't worry, the Dr. has never betrayed anyone in all the years I have known him, over 30 years." The brethren have, for 30 years, whole-heartedly and unwaveringly, trusted Rama to do the right thing for them and he has, for his own gains, separated and destroyed families and financially raped his current and ex members to the point many have had to file bankruptcy, have ruined credit, and no savings, all in the name of the Lord. He has asked/advised many of his members to commit crimes and then held it over their heads when he thought they might leave, and then did leave. If you don't call all this betrayal, I don't know what is.

    Posted by: Rama FILTH! Location: Between the 5th and 6th aisle of apple boxes on Jul 10, 2008 at 11:34 PM
    And it came to pass, on the second day of the weekend, the anger of Rama was kindled against one of the wives of the brethren and he cried out with a loud voice to the assembly of brethren who had gathered in silence to hear the word of the Lord, "All you want to do is control the men with your HOLE!". This awakened many in the assembly who had been daydreaming and not listening to the Word of Rama with all their hearts. Then thus spake Rama to the assembly of brethren, "thou shalt sing unto the Lord while we go upstairs to make a phone call to India. Nobody shall leave the meeting room to go bathroom. Tom thou shalt watch the door." And it came to pass, after a few minutes was spent, a sound came forth from within the house of Rama, FLUSH! (the toilet)

    Posted by: Re Rama's Mouth Location: Behind the Annex on Jul 10, 2008 at 10:52 PM
    What if the young woman had indeed been gang raped at Rama's suggestion behind the annex? What if the young woman reported the rape? Might she find herself exiled to a foreign country? Worse, might she find herself dropped into a deep hole and covered up with dirt to ensure her silence? Because of these concerns, I highly doubt any such crime would ever be reported.

    Posted by: Rama's mouth Location: In the holy meeting room on Jul 10, 2008 at 05:01 PM
    to add to what Anonymous posted: Rama regularly called women and girls "whores" and said all they wanted to do was "breed". He told one young woman in the meeting that the brethren's sons should take her behind the annex, line up and "try her out. See how she is." (gang rape?) Rama tried to get one woman to break off a relationship with a man. To put pressure on her he said in the meeting that he was sorry to be talking in a "naked way" but that someone should put hot sauce on her "hole" One teenage girl was playing with her baby cousins and Rama came out and said, why are you playing with babies? All you want is one! Get to the motel with your mother and work!" A man of God would have said, "how nice you play with children. You'd make a good mother someday." No, he talks what is constantly on his mind, sex, gutter, toilet, dung, "naked", unclean, "tops", "bottoms". How do you put up with that poddy mouth?

    Posted by: Elina on Jul 10, 2008 at 04:24 PM
    Rama talked a lot about taking nuns and hanging them upside down. You are supposed to torture them by pouring hot sauce into their vaginas. How much more talk do we need to do before you realize how sick Rama is?

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 10, 2008 at 03:00 PM
    That's because RAMA = DUNG

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 10, 2008 at 01:42 PM
    We are living our lives the way we want. By trying to destroy RAMA! DOWN WITH OLD BIG EARS! TO THE GALLOWS WITH HIM!

    Posted by: to Anonymous on Jul 10, 2008 at 01:38 PM
    Have you thought about why ex-members maybe post about Rama and sh*t/excrement? Maybe its because that's what Rama talked about frequently in the meetings! Now that we know what he is all about we want to throw ALL his names and actions back in his face. Ex: Many children and some adults soiled thier clothes in the meeting because they couldn't go to the bathroom or had to ask Rama. That's a lot of excrement buildup over the years. Rama regularly called a child there "Mr. Dung"/ other variations of dung- hundreds of times more than what Rama has been called on this blog; Rama referred to children as "swine children" and their mothers as "bathroom women". Rama publicly called out of wedlock children "unclean" and refused to bless them at birth; he insisted that men could not wear boxer shorts and women could wear only briefs (normal underwear) and could not wear camasols lest they take off their blouses and show off their "tops". Who's mind was ALWAYS in the toilet and gutter?!?

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 10, 2008 at 12:33 PM
    or maybe the members dont care to get to your level of stupidity. all you talk about is toliets bathrooms and dung. i cant imagine where your mind must be. i sure feel sorry for you and the rest of your family. must be an exciting life dreaming colorful dreams about toliets and sh-t. and you are all racist. think about the US has the biggest diversity of skin color and religion. if he should go back to india because thats where hes from what about all of you. you should all go back to where your ancesters came from. get real and stop being so nasty. there is so much more in life than what you all talk about. move on and live your life the way you want

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 10, 2008 at 12:28 PM
    The guy has been in Shawano for 30 years if not more. Maybe THEY should get rid of Ed Whealon, Randy Wright and the 2 useless Police Departments.

    Posted by: Jungle Jane Location: Zoo-Stage on Jul 10, 2008 at 07:05 AM
    When did the zoo allow Parrots and Puppets to have internet access? All i hear are puppets and parrots repeating the words/lies of a bathroom profit/coward. P.S. you guys should takes notes and refer back to them so you can keep the lies straight. They would sound better if they were at least consistent. Its like a bunch of crappies flopping on the shore.

    Posted by: To Anonymous..continued Location: Shawano on Jul 10, 2008 at 12:52 AM
    Even if the mother thought the father is a terrible person, he fathered the children! How could anyone, especially you as a "she", think that a father does not owe anything to their children. Despite a lack necessity, it is a matter of principle, which seem to be a little skewed in this group under the control of a "Dr." As for the apparent sarcasm regarding the fast food meal on garbage bags, I am still trying to figure out how anyone can rationalize some of the stories from the group such as this. For one, a "Dr" should know that fast food, especially without rations, is terrible for your health. Further, eating off garbage bags in a group setting is completely unsanitary. Most rational people would realize that plates for all this food would be more sanitary and humane. Not to mention the fact that anyone who regularly "feeds" large numbers of people that are pandered for money ought to invest in some dishes. Finally, what kind of religious man divides families, even while eating!

    Posted by: To Anonymous Location: Shawano on Jul 10, 2008 at 12:31 AM
    I have never really been a part of the group, just an outsider interested in the story. Based on the postings and background information, I just want to make a few observations. First of all, it is pretty obvious that "Dr." Cohen promotes negative thoughts about former members of the group, as shown by the cruel and unusual verbal attacks posted by his followers. Most of the former members do not seem like bad people, just people that have seen both sides of the situation and are concerned about their family and remaining members under this man's control. As for the child support, the people that have left the group don't seem to think individuals (i.e. ex-husbands) are terrible people, but rather under the psychological control of a terrible person. Having said that, of course they should be entitled to request support for their children from their father. Even if the mother thinks she can make it on her own or does not need the father's support, he owes it to his children! -continued

    Posted by: Proud butch Location: Among the birches on Jul 9, 2008 at 11:36 PM
    To the PUPPETS! You're right, it's the "b!t**es" who work hard and get stuff done! They use their God-given talents to work hard and support and love their families with all their might. Anyone who fathers a child with a b!t** watch out! B!t**es believe in responsibility and you WILL support their children. B!t**es will not tolerate or give into abusive bipolar cult leaders and their gluttonous appetites for power, control and money and never-ending demands. And when their children are treated like outcasts and called names like "icky Christian", or worse, the B**** MOTHER BEAR lunges forth to protect her young. Rama watch out! We learned from the mistakes of our mothers who "laid down and died" when their children were abused and stolen - OH NO NOT WE. We will survive! And live and so will our children! B!T**ES of Shawano UNITE! IN GOD AND B****DOM WE TRUST!!!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 9, 2008 at 09:42 PM
    yeah guys i don't know anything about this group. I am an outsider and I think that all of the current members are brainwashed. and after looking at the picture of their leader...i would say my what big ears you have! the better for hearing with! RIGHT! Well hear this RAMA BEHERA aka SAMANTA ROY aka AVRAHAM COHEN aka DR DUMBO aka OLD BIG EARS aka MINNIE MOUSE... i've got two fingers from each hand for you...and they are giving you the big F*** YOU! I HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL! EARS FIRST OF COURSE!

    Posted by: Dr. WOLF Location: watching mr anonymous and DR FRAUD on Jul 9, 2008 at 07:06 PM
    I can see how that is funny mr anonymous puppet. HA HA HA HA. Pull your head out of dumbo's A** and quit playing the victim here. Get your lies straight! Until then get back in your tunnel and get back to work lest your great Sadhu smite thee.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 9, 2008 at 06:15 PM
    I like fries, chicken nuggets, and salad. Even better if you put it on a garbage bag. Sounds good to me. Thats all the more food I can eat. Bowls are just not big enough. So much for rations.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 9, 2008 at 04:43 PM
    the funny thing is no one has ever said on here that all ex members are crack heads etc and whatever else you can pull out of ur as-. thats all comes from ur own porclein throne. Hail hail. but if a real person hated someone so much they would want nothing to do with them and that includes child support. oh and im not a he im a she and dont go to shawano.

    Posted by: Guess Who Location: Might be under the oak tree on Jul 9, 2008 at 04:26 PM
    I know for a fact that PG is not posting, doubt even reading this B.S. SO you are WRONG AGAIN. Keep trying though. It is a great guessing game isn't not? Better yet let's get back to the facts, why don't you start answering the questions asked of you? You like to accuse people of doing things that they would have never done if they hadn't been under Dr Ramdam's control. As a matter of fact any one that I know that has left is doing perfectly fine and are law abiding citizens unlike RAMA and his thugs. MEAN I tell you. You are all MEAN.

    Posted by: Dr. Satan Location: holding the goat on top of rumaDUNGpile's limousine on Jul 9, 2008 at 03:25 PM
    Ahh, more Rumadumbell hiding from the true facts here. DEADBEAT DADS!!!! Headed by a DEADBEAT hindu FRAUD! Last time i checked it was the father's responsibility to support his kids. But behold as i took a large one today, guess where?, another vision! Since RumaDUNG needs all the money for his "jewish" causes, aka molestation trips, all ye DUMBerits shall instruct yer eldest children to support yer wives, ex-wives and children. Fer if ye shall send the money to dr DUMBO you shall have a place next to him in "heaven". I wonder if he will get thirty virgins when he gets where he's going. Oh, wait a second, did you just say how great the gronvall kids are doing? I thought everyone that leaves is a crack pot drug addict and truckstop whore? Oopsy daisy you slipped up oh wise one. I'm sure dr. doolittle will be happy to take the credit for their good fortunes. ALLAH AKBAR. Again, this coward is hiding like a little B**** behind his skirts and the DEADBEAT loser dads that are left. Baahhh

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:03 PM
    "meal of french fries, chicken nuggets and salad, served on jumbo black garbage bags laid out on the meeting room floor.." Fast and healthy king food on platters fit for a king! LOL! Pretty soon Rama will put you all on the Tang diet because you will be so fat from all the fast food fries and nuggets.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 9, 2008 at 12:44 PM
    seeing how we are talking about child support lets talk about the gronvall family. how many kids did kal and cathy have and now his grown up kids are mad that there mother whom they love so much isnt being paid child suport. you all have good educations and decent jobs why cant you support her if you hate your dad so much. especially you PG. you got yourself on the high and mighty throne now take car of your family and forget about your dad if he's so bad. oh that rite it more to your benefit to b-t-h and moan about stupid sh-t and point your finger at someone else. ur all quoting the bible let he who is without sin caste the first stone. you should be the last one to run your mouth. just remember all the things you did to other brethen growing up on ur own accord without Rama there telling u to do it or even knowing what you were doing. Now these same people forget the type of person you are. LOL what a life.

    Posted by: To to Venus on Jul 9, 2008 at 08:32 AM
    Do you love your children more than you love Rama? If a mother will not protect her children who will? Your children need a mother. You need to set things right. Now. It is not too late.

    Posted by: another anonymous Location: who cares on Jul 9, 2008 at 12:01 AM
    hey, "i can't forget" - YOU have a big heart. I applaud you. I am wondering about TROY DONALD.... anyone care to share?

    Posted by: To I can't forget on 05:37 PM on Jul 8, 2008 at 11:43 PM
    So JR talks to her first born daughter who lives out in Baltimore with Rama? What's a typical conversation like, "can you please ask brother if I should/could (fill in the blank). " What a great relationship.

    Posted by: To Darlene Location: Frailing Road on Jul 8, 2008 at 10:53 PM
    Darlene, stop wasting your life sitting in your car guarding the Kingdom of the Blue Tarps. Get out of there and go see your daughter Kimmy and your grandchildren. A better life awaits you.

    Posted by: Anonymous Location: Right Here on Jul 8, 2008 at 09:56 PM
    It is funny how all these members know more about peoples lives than the people that lived them. How did SK learn from her mother by divorcing and asking for child support...when her husband DK died of cancer. you all remember the cancer that RAMA claimed he was cursed with...so how did she try to get child support from a dead man. also, i am sure that a simple DNA test would prove that all of the Kindseth children are from the same parents. kind of funny how they all resemble D more than C. next thing you know the thing you all call brother or Dr. or whatever will be saying they aren't from the same mother...who gave birth to them then...maybe it was RAMA...because somehow he fathered 3 norwegian girls.

    Posted by: I can't forget on Jul 8, 2008 at 09:30 PM
    To: To I can't forget: Excuse me, but I did not post under the name Venus, and said nothing about JR and her daughter. But as long as you brought it up, I did talk to her daughter a year ago and she told me not to refer to JR as her mother.

    Posted by: I can't forget on Jul 8, 2008 at 09:23 PM
    One Sunday afternoon after I finished cleaning up from our meal of french fries, chicken nuggets and salad, served on jumbo black garbage bags laid out on the meeting room floor...(remember, the mothers at one bag, the fathers at one bag, the sons at one bag, the daughters at one bag, etc., for the purpose of demeaning us and keeping us in total subjection at rama's feet.) I was fortunate enough to find one of rama's holy used dirty paper towels up in front by the table that Dan had so sincerely constructed for the false profit. Poor Dan came to me in tears pleading with me to please give him the paper towel. Since I was still also brainwashed, I really did not want to give it up, but his tears and the realization of his terribly sad situation broke my heart. I gave him the paper towel, and even though I am gone, I will always remember Dan as a prime example of the devastation wrought by the false hindu profit. He is not a bad person; he is a victim of a master deceiver.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 8, 2008 at 07:40 PM
    Yeah the ole "B****" claimed she didn't need you Dan...so maybe you should ask for spousal maintenance...and then not help support the children that you fathered. you should have given birth to the children because you seemed to be the woman in the relationship!...wait maybe s didn't impregnate dan...maybe it was RAMA! I wonder how RAMA became the biological father of 3 fair skinned daughters...especially since he hasn't touched his wife in years...why touch your wife when you can follow the swinger parties example and lust after younger women that you have brainwashed and molested since they were underage!

    Posted by: Tarzan Location: Porcelain throne at in the Annex on Jul 8, 2008 at 07:37 PM
    Oh mr. anonymous, your wisdom likens to that of my pet monkey. What an evil B****. She dared to say she didn't need a washed up flunky law school graduate that couldn't pass the bar exam. WOW! And in case you forgot a loser that refused to get a job to support his kids while at the same time donating all her hard earned money to a monster eared-FRAUD while she busted her ass to pay the bills and support the family. In my book, that would be a pretty sore excuse for a "man". I guess after all disabled midgets can always get a job working at gas stations for free. But why not? The gas stations don't sell gas, and cant sell anything else cause the great profit has surely robbed his own businesses blind as well to fund his lavish lifestyle traveling the world spreading his poison.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 8, 2008 at 07:36 PM
    Oh golly gee gillickers. I think I shall beg for forgiveness and the ole rudumb may forgive me for bad mouthing his most precious name. Maybe if I lick the toe jam from his feet like Dan and Kalmar the lord shall surely bless me...maybe if I give my children and my husbands' children to him so that they may be molested like s & m's three daughters...i shall surely go to heaven. who cares what happens to anybody else as long as i make it to heaven. maybe i will cash in my pension and give it to the great profit to pay for his $268,000 in past taxes...what happened I heard you guys were all out of gas too. well I had beans for dinner...need gas? oh wait...smells like the ole big ears and his skirt tuggers!

    Posted by: I can't forget on Jul 8, 2008 at 07:22 PM
    Now, to make this scenario even worse, after his rama match failed, rama is teaching him to call his former wife a bitch, and to teach his children to call their mother nasty names. Instead of encouraging Dan to forgive, forget and move on, he is being made to wallow day after day in the mire of hatred, strife, and emotional devastation. STAND BACK, TAKE A LOOK FROM THE OTHER SIDE, AND SEE WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON!

    Posted by: I can't forget on Jul 8, 2008 at 07:21 PM
    First of all you need to know about Dan. He is a sincere and honest young man with a huge heart. He follows rama with all of his strength because he believes rama is his only way to God. If only he could be giving his devotion to the Lord Jesus he could have a prosperous and fruitful life. If he could have pursued a profession more in line with his own interest, personality, and talents, he could have been spared a lot of grief. Instead he listened to rama’s counsel and tried to become a lawyer and all he has for it is huge bills. None of this should have happened. To make it all worse, a man who enjoys making absurd matches and asking the wife how the wedding night went, arranged a marriage for Dan. If only he could have been able to choose a wife according to his own personality and interests, once again he would not be drowning in rivers of sorrows and tears.

    Posted by: Hey Dan on Jul 8, 2008 at 06:42 PM
    Advice from a wise old lady, request DNA testing, seriously. Like mother, like daughter.

    Posted by: Hey Dan on Jul 8, 2008 at 06:40 PM
    Don't worry, the Dr. has never betrayed anyone in all the years I have known him, over 30 years.

    Posted by: Dr. Satan Location: Watching RumaDUNGpile's B*****'s on Jul 8, 2008 at 06:29 PM
    Obviously dr dumbo and his well educated washed up puppets have nothing to say to the truth. Back to the name calling and calling everybody a wh****. WOW! What wisdom you all have! The wise chester the molester continues to hide like a coward behind the skirts of women and behind children. Send your army thou great Sadhu profit! Lets stick to the facts mr FRAUD. What's this bs about DK's kids being raised by your puppets while you pocketing the social security money that was sent to them for their well being? Oh, that's right, CK was a w*****! WOW! Thy great wisdom doth make me marvel. Get off your posse of women and answer the questions? WHERE IS YOUR FAMILY DUMBO? WHERE IS YOUR WIFE? WHERE IS YOUR SON? WHERE IS THE REST OF YOUR FAMILY? DESTROYER!

    Posted by: TO Satan on Jul 8, 2008 at 06:19 PM
    Oh Satan, thy wisdom is great. p.s. how out you get off the internet and get back to work, oh that's right you are so mentally unstable that you can't work so you have to spend all day on the internet posting ramblings

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 8, 2008 at 06:18 PM
    The B**** always claimed that she never needed Dan, she could support herself and the children. So why does she want any money from Dan now. Did she forget that she doesn't need him?

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 8, 2008 at 05:44 PM
    Totally innocent people. Is that why those 13 kids don't all have the same dad? LOL shhhhh don't tell anyone that. Watch out Dan you don't even know if those are your kids.

    Posted by: To Devil on Jul 8, 2008 at 05:42 PM
    What's the problem, did somebody hit the truth a little to close to home? S**t family trying to ruin other peoples families.

    Posted by: To I can't forget on Jul 8, 2008 at 05:37 PM
    The only thing spewing forth is your true self. Mean, hateful, and selfish. Nothing else can describe it. Don't worry about JR. As a matter of fact she does talk to her daughter, maybe she didn't feel the need to tell a crazy lady about it. In fact, she talks to her more than you have ever talked to your kids in their entire lives.

    Posted by: Guess who Location: you would like to know on Jul 8, 2008 at 05:35 PM
    I being a former member don't ever remember anyone bowing down and kissing "kindseth" feet or toes. What were you doing??? trying to be like them????? Get a life. You wish you had one.

    Posted by: To venus on Jul 8, 2008 at 05:32 PM
    Yes I love my children more than anything else in the world. That's why I am staying right where I am, and it isn't anything where you are or could ever be. I want my children to have a good, stable life. That is something you people can't give your children.

    Posted by: To satan on Jul 8, 2008 at 05:28 PM
    Don't worry, I learned to multi-task. I can work and read at the same time, even type.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 8, 2008 at 05:22 PM
    oh the bitterness of the Kindseth/whatever your new last name is family. didnt enough people bow down and kis your toes.

    Posted by: Satan, Location: praying under the oak tree in the car on Jul 8, 2008 at 05:18 PM
    Rumor has it that SK has left the clutches of dr rumaDUNGPILE's evil grasp and has gotten herself a fairly decent job. And as any normal mother would do, she strives to be a good mother and provide for her children. This has angered dumbo. Why can't she leave the children to be destroyed and molested by the great profit? She must be a Wh***!! As we were fasting and praying we ran inside to the porcelain throne and had a vision from the hindu gods. Dumbo is very angry that somebody has left his deception and is able to make it on her own. Ouch, that must really hurt his pride. Now her ex-wife, still under his almighty thumb has become a great disgrace for he cannot pass the bar exam because dr rumbdumb has made him such a wise man. And her ex-wife seeks spousal support because dumbo hath made known that rather than getting a job like any normal man would do he should strive to become a great pillar of society and be a successful gas station attendant. RUMADUNG RULES!!!

    Posted by: Dr. Satan Location: Baltimore, watching DUMBO on Jul 8, 2008 at 04:41 PM
    Here is the perfect example of how Dr. Cohen, i mean RUMADUNGPILE manipulates his puppets. He attacks a woman that had 13 kids and watched chester the molester destroy her whole family while her husband died of cancer bcz he did not kiss the Sadhu feet. WHAT A COWARD! I know both the K parents before they joined the cult. Perfectly innocent people taken in and utterly destroyed by this monster. Well, now dumbo is very angry that he was not able to conquer the widow of D. Why? She didn't succomb to his sexual exploitation he tried with other women there? Now he hides with her daughters and her very young granddaughters like a great "man-of-god". Invading the lives of innocent girls. come on Dumbo, come out of your tunnel! Did debbie refuse to bow down and kiss your holy feet too? U FRAUDULENT COWARD! U too DAN u are a little midget puppet too! Maybe you can be the ankle boy for your great profit. NOTHER DEADBEAT lazy washed up, maggot, product of Dr. RUMADUNGPILE!!!

    Posted by: Dr. Satan, aka son of Lucifer Location: Standing guard in RumaDUNG's throne on Jul 8, 2008 at 04:32 PM
    To someone special who seems to be grabbing his A****s. Aha, Dr. RumaDUNG hath had his pride hurt so now he doth send forth his bottom-feeder servants and his women and children and his retarded law school grads that cant pass the bar exam to fight for his holiness. Alas the B**** he named "et's girlfriend" left grasp of his evil web after he stole her children. She turned her life around got educated, put all her kids through college, as a widowed mother. And this hath kindled the anger of dumbo, his lanky hat wearing B**** kalmar, and his little midget dan the flunk-out. Dumbo's pride hath been severely bruised as another one of his great bathroom prophecies have proven to be a LIE! Ha ha dumbo, she got right up kicked your lies in the A** and did it on her own without your deception. Now as you hide with her grandkids you better be careful. I know where you are and I am watching you too. U are a coward hiding like a little B****. UR SINS WILL FIND YOU OUT DUMBO!!!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 8, 2008 at 04:07 PM
    The Kindseth family. Must have been another rudumberite vision! You are so tainted and messed in the head that you actually believe the crap you ooze from your face and spew forth from your fingertips onto this virtual chalkboard. The kindseth mother's children' were brainwashed...at least most of them...then the great saddhu had all of their social security checks (that they were to get from their father's passing) signed over and cashed...guess where that cash went. guess...none of the children got nor did any of the families that took these children in. no the great profit sat on his butt raking in more cash. all because "ET" did not bow to him...so he got cancer and died...and the con artist raked in a few more thousand dollars for brainwashing his slaves. funny thing is i have heard about somebodies children being dropped off at their dad's house well dressed then come to be returned with crap clothes on them that are way to small...seems little weird. crybaby/loser dad/daffodils!

    Posted by: Someone special on Jul 8, 2008 at 03:32 PM
    He has never put himself in the place of God. Oh and maybe we should all get married and have kids and than turn around and divorce our husbands and demand child support to spend on ourselves and let our kids go hungry and not buy them clothes. Yes that is an excellent idea. Lets talk to the Kindseth family about that. They know all about it as their "MOTHER" did it to them and has taught them to do the same thing.

    Posted by: I can't forget on Jul 8, 2008 at 02:27 PM
    P.S., rama can't blame me for biting the hand that fed me. For about 8 months in 1975 I went from 158 to 103 lbs (forced starvation) because rama said I had a gluttonous spirit (as all the Levites should remember).

    Posted by: I can't forget on Jul 8, 2008 at 02:25 PM
    I was shocked and angry. Here we go again! Buy more land and don't pay the taxes. My attitude got really BAD, and I was one step closer to LEAVING. NOW, a year later the great profit is in the same boat. If he is such a great profit, why can't he see into his own future, pay his taxes on time, and avoid all the trouble that he brings on his suffering slaves? Remember, rama is not there when they come in to close down the operations -- he is in Baltimore bathing his stolen "daughters." It's his faithful slaves that are in Shawano taking all the heat.

    Posted by: I can't forget on Jul 8, 2008 at 02:20 PM
    Or maybe rama went to another conference to learn how to build businesses and control people's brains so he could come home and use the innocent trusting slaves to make money for him. Last year in August I was still a faithful rama. Yes, I had a lot of doubts and questions and I was constantly beating myself up for having a bad attitude toward rama -- but, I was still stuck there. Then rama came to a meeting and told us a great testimony of how he conned someone at the race track to give him a HUGE loan. My immediate response was, "Great!" Now he can keep up on the taxes and we won't have to go thru the mess of having all the licenses taken away next summer. BUT! Guess what the great profit did with the money. He finished off the testimony by telling us the LIE that the Lord told him to use the money to buy the rest area across from the race track and another piece of land with another house for his slaves to restore FOR FREE.

    Posted by: Venus Location: Earth on Jul 8, 2008 at 01:51 PM
    To Hey Dan: You are right that SK has learned from her mother and ex sister in law, mistakes that is. Lesson learned-NEVER TRUST RAMA. HE WILL STEAL YOUR CHILDREN. If you love your children take them and run from Rama! If he won't physically take your children, he will steal them emotionally and mentally and teach them to hate you and call you names like ET, ET's girlfriend, queen poopsie, swine, tarzan, jungle, leech, cuke, prince, goomptie, goat. When was the last time JR, a current and faithful follower of Rama last talked to her daughter Joan one of Rama's current handmaidens? Over 20 years, right? Why can't mother and daughter have a relationship? Doesn't JR slave enough for Rama in his motels to "earn" that relationship back? What did JR do to deserve the alienation from her daughter? NOTHING!!! Except follow Rama. Another sad saga of a beautiful family destroyed...

    Posted by: Dr. Satan Location: watching Dr. RumaDUNG on Jul 8, 2008 at 07:19 AM
    Looks like Dr. Rumadung is on vacation again with his posse of women. It looks like another bathroom prophecy hath sent the great one on another field trip to find his Jewish heritage. Why is this turd obsessed with Jews? Ye rumamungerites reading and fooling around on the internet, I REBUKE THEE!!, and get back to work. For your almighty fraudster shall be back in a couple days to pillage you of any earnings you have accumulated this week. Y are all the loyal puppets of this guy deadbeats? Dr rumadung is the law in his kingdom. He believes and sadly his coherts also believe that he is god. He is above all laws. The only laws are those laws that dr doolittle come up with. Dont pay your child support, dont pay your taxes, F*** the IRS, F*** the mothers of your children, F*** everybody else you meet, swindle your neighbors and your friends. For the great sadhu doth live a life of luxury and it is your job to make sure he shall continue this life while R***** you and your families. Allah!

    Posted by: Dr. Satan Location: watching Dr. RumDUNG on Jul 8, 2008 at 07:10 AM
    Well, dr rumdung hath surely raised some wonderful puppets here. He doth sitteth upon his royal porcelain throne and the word of his Hindu god doth come that all ye deadbeat dads under his great thumb shall not pay child support for your children lest ye shall perish quickly. Rather ye shall send every penny you have left to his 'brain surgeon' practice and then ye shall be a gas station attendant for the great sadhu. The lord hath spoken that your children are swine children. Ye shall follow the example of your great extortionist dr. Do not pay your bills! Those are for the gentiles to pay! Do not pay your taxes for those also are for the gentiles to pay. This fraudulent weasel even skips out on his local taxes in Shawano. Y? Oh, i remember, because he is too busy bringing prosperity to the towns people. U guys are all deadbeat frauds. Everything is a lie, from your true identities to the taxes his self-employed monkeys file. All you rumdungerites reading this GET BACK TO WORK!!

    Posted by: to Hey Dan on Jul 8, 2008 at 12:21 AM
    Great advice to Dan and excellent job of parroting Rombomb except that you forgot to give Dan one important piece of Rama advice. Lie about your income on your tax returns (Self employment works great for this). Here's my advice to Dan. Don't do it. Rama will use the advice he gave you (and the advice he knows you heeded) to blackmail you. For if you forsake the word of the Rama and walketh not in the ways of the Rama, and heed not all His commandments, then shall the anger of the Rama be kindled against you and He shall report you to the IRS and ye shall perish quickly.

    Posted by: Guess Who in Re: to Hey Dan Location: ? Would you like to know? on Jul 7, 2008 at 10:47 PM
    Why are you encouraging Dan in not paying child support on here? I thought Dan and Kal haven't been reading this at all. Caught you in your own lies again. So what are you girls doing going after your "heathen ex-husbands" for child support for. Could it be that you need their money to give to rama? And that it will not go to your kids at all? I hope that Dan gets what is coming to him. The state on Minnesota will make him pay. He is not above the law. Listening to rama will be his demise. That's a warning. Your children should be more important to you than your loyalty to a bastard that will for sure destroy any kind of relationship you could of had with your children. At least they will grow up and not have to look forward to working along side their father in a gas station for free.

    Posted by: Dr. Satan Location: Watching for Sadhu's under the blue tarp on Jul 7, 2008 at 07:55 PM
    Dr. RUMDUM! Remember your great prophecies? YOU ARE GOING TO REAP WHAT YOU SOW!!!! REMEMBER THAT! U are a coward and your days are running out! I am watching your every move!!

    Posted by: Dr Satan Location: looking for KALMAR on Jul 7, 2008 at 07:49 PM
    Well Kalmar, looks like you and your fellow deadbeat dads are busy working for free as usual for your master, chester the molester. Fear not you and your mighty profit will have a great place in heaven right next to the rest of the child molesters. Beseach your great hat wearing profit to come forth from his tunnels. You guys are a disgrace to humanity. What holy hindu book do you read from to find your moral guidance? Your great Sadhu has destroyed every single person he has every come into contact with. He is a danger to society. His resume includes college DROP OUT, family destroyer, child molester, extortionist, and BRAINWASHER! Every single thing in dr dumbo's life is a lie and a fraud. Then he shows his a** up in Baltimore posing as a brain surgeon looking for his Jewish heritage. Which Jewish holy book teaches thou shalt be a deadbeat dad and shall give me all your money that you might be saved. This guy is a coward hiding behind women and children. Pull your head out of dan's a*

    Posted by: Dr. SATAN Location: on dr. dumbo's porcelain throne while he is in Baltimore on Jul 7, 2008 at 07:41 PM
    To hey DAN. Obviously you are one of the great products of dr. chester the molester's bathroom prophecies. Dr. dumbo's group of "highly educated" coherts includes a nice list of DEADBEAT dads, shall we start the list? Kal, Dan, Luke, Matt? One of the great prophecies from dr cohen's bathroom is that your children are "swine children" and they are born, and I quote your Sadhu, "from bathroom women". Now lets talk! Who is this deceptive fraud? What F***** religion are you puppets? You are brainwashed slaves to a deceptive pervert who's entire life is a fraud. He has destroyed his entire family, both here and at his mud hut in Orissa. Now he shall make sure to destroy each and everyone of you as well. Don't worry, all you deadbeat dads clinging to his skirt, YOUR DAY IS COMING TOO. I am watching your every move. You better start whispering when you talk. This deceptive destroyer of families is going down and when he does i will be there to smile at his holiness. ps get back to work B*****

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 7, 2008 at 07:35 PM
    Yeah why would you want to give money to your children Dan? when you can give it to ole big ears! oh and not to mention slaving in his disgusting gas stations watching all of the "interesting people" for nothing obviously...hence the word "slaving"!

    Posted by: Hey gangsta on Jul 7, 2008 at 06:30 PM
    Not checkmate my poor fellow. We're still standing and there are no balloons around so it must be your head that is going to get popped sooner or later. Thank you for watching the compound, it makes me feel safer.

    Posted by: To devils crsdr on Jul 7, 2008 at 06:27 PM
    Yeah, they haven't read them, they said that they have better things to do, like working hard at making no money so nobody can take anything from them, sounds good to me. You couldn't pass for a doctor even if you tried. You just don't have the looks.

    Posted by: Hey dan on Jul 7, 2008 at 06:05 PM
    Good for you. Keep up the good work. Just remember, the less you have, the less the b**** can take from you. I think it is an awesome way for you to screw her over, no job, therefore no money for child support. Miss high and mighty and her bro will get tired of the "play things" and drop them just like their mother did. Time will tell. In the mean time, make as little money as possible, make the b**** pay for everything. Just a little advice.

    Posted by: Guess who!? Location: Behind you on Jul 6, 2008 at 04:12 AM
    Old Rombomb looks like a weenie with a beanie!!!

    Posted by: All American Gangsta Location: Washington D.C. on Jul 6, 2008 at 04:08 AM
    First off, this chump Rama and his peoples best get it through their twisted minds that this is the USA and we stomp cockroaches in our house. Red, white, and blue sucka. Talkin bout satellites and electromagnetic radiation. Yeah that’s right “bro”, the eagles eye looks down from the sky. You be gettin popped like a balloon sooner or later. Strait up, my homie g’s tap your junk all day and night chump. Guess what fool, your little “compound” is being watched right now, no doubt. Your cards are bout to get trumped. We play chess, not checkers. Checkmate fool.

    Posted by: FreeFromShawano on Jul 5, 2008 at 08:36 AM
    Has it ever occurred to you "brethren" that no decent, respectable organization would call its members by demeaning names such as tarzan, ET, swine, leech, devil boy, Mr dung, jungle jane, spiderman, etc.? Rama used those names and even encouraged children to refer to their parents that way. It reflects the mean, insensitive character of your psychopathic leader. You’re so used to it that it doesn’t bother you, but try to take an objective look at yourselves from the viewpoint of an outsider, and maybe you can see that the whole culture there is totally bizarre.

    Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: Betyouwanttoknnow on Jul 3, 2008 at 08:17 PM
    Please refer to me and Dr. Crusader. Since rama got everybody to believe he is a doctor, now believe that I am one as well. If you don't believe me ask me. I truly am the smartest person I know. As far as my dearest relative, who could this possibly be? And as far as smarts, this is how you spell CONGRATULATIONS. Oh yeah, and Dan and Kal haven't read these posts?? Really?? Can't read?? Got Pictures?

    Posted by: to:i cant forget Location: heaven on Jul 3, 2008 at 07:41 PM
    Hi i cant forget how is tarzan you too look really cute i heard. you cant hid that you are in love with tarzan

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 3, 2008 at 07:04 PM
    Awww isn't that cute you are defending your cute lil hat wearing buddy and the "man" who can't pass the bar exam or get a job. dumbo must be angry with thee...so thou must worketh at the pumps my son!

    Posted by: TO devils crusader, on Jul 3, 2008 at 05:39 PM
    LOL, you are not as smart as you think, you and all of your lowly friends. I think it's funny, actually hilarious that Dan and Kal are getting all of the credit for postings when they haven't even read them. Congradulations, you have proved that your not as smart as you think. I think it's even funnier how the first thing that came to mind was your dearest relative.Since you brought her up, I don't consider her even human. It is just as you assumed, she's s***. LOL,LOL,LOL.

    Posted by: Dr. Satan Location: pickle barrel on Jul 3, 2008 at 10:43 AM
    To Devils Crusader. Ye are horribly mistaken about dr. chester the molester's coattails. He doth not wear coats anymore. Behold a vision from the porcelain throne hath made known that dr. doolittle has graduated to skirts. He wants to fit in better with the ladies. That will be real cute with his sexy beanie cap! p.s. maybe Kalmar will follow suit soon. That would make a cute couple

    Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: Betyouwanttoknow on Jul 3, 2008 at 01:59 AM
    Whoever you are Anonymous (Dan) why don't you just go hang on ramas coattails. When he has no further use for you, you will be treated like a dog just like everyone else. And yes, eventually, he will run out of uses for you. So, really, enjoy his attention for now. But, a fair warning for you also. Don't come out into the "REAL" world with an attitude and a mouth like that. It's funny to that sick freak rama, but not to people out here. It's not sheltered out here. It is possible that your mind may be to feeble to handle the real world though. Later Dan

    Posted by: Gray Hair on Jul 2, 2008 at 09:13 PM
    There aren't many secrets left in Shawano.

    Posted by: Dr. Wisdom Location: pickle barrel on Jul 2, 2008 at 06:42 PM
    So, oh wise one, did Dr. Dumbo place the cancer curse on his daughter? You think that fraudulent pervert has the power to cause a disenchanted ex-zombie to get cancer? Why can't your fearless profit keep his own house in order? Good point, he's like a little 2 year old throwing a temper tantrum. He failed at his own family so his goal is to utterly destroy all of your families. So he surrounds himself with his posse of women and hides behind their skirts. Maybe he should wear a skirt too!

    Posted by: Guess Who on Jul 2, 2008 at 06:00 PM
    to the one that posted on jul 2, at 5:35 - you are a very mean person. I really hope rama doesn't put a curse on you, just because he is throwing a temper tantrum like a 2 year old that didn't get his way. People die every day because of cancer it is a very sad and unhappy way to die. Nobody should wish that on someone else or try to curse them with that. Also you must be admitting that rama does put curses on or threatens people with those kind of things if they leave or don't give all their money to the bastard. Wishing you all the luck in the world. Hope you aren't his next victim of a curse!

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 2, 2008 at 05:55 PM
    You don't replace sh**, it is just flushed down the toilet. Gone forever, in the sewer where it belongs.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 2, 2008 at 05:35 PM
    Do not write you have not died of cancer until the day you are on your death bed. Then and only then can you say you have not died of cancer. Remember that.

    Posted by: re Robie on Jul 2, 2008 at 12:51 PM
    You don't believe it was Robie who posted? Just think about a few facts. When was the last time anyone saw Robie in Shawano with his father? When Debby was there did you see Robie too? No, because he was gone by then. Think about it. Robie left in 1998 or 1999, in early 2000 Rama had E and S, S and M get married, one couple had children who Rama took as his own to replace Robie who had gotten married and had children who Rama has never seen, and Debby who was likely terminally ill at the time the 2nd and 3rd children were born. Think about it.

    Posted by: I can't forget on Jul 2, 2008 at 09:58 AM
    You have to understand that we who are out are not all chronic liars like rama behera, rc samanta roy, avi cohen and all you brainwashed followers. ("What should I tell them, brother?") It may take a while, but we slowly learn to be truthful and honest, once we are not required to live a double life. BELIEVE ME, IT WAS ROBIE THAT POSTED!

    Posted by: Robie's friend Location: USA on Jul 2, 2008 at 07:41 AM
    Robie invited you all to contact him so why don't you call him and ask him if he posted and ask him what the truth about his father is? You won't because you will get in big trouble from Rama if you did so.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 1, 2008 at 09:47 PM
    I was waiting for one of you rama butt smoochers to claim that it really wasn't robie posting on the blog a few days back. I am sure that is the only defense the all-knowing dumbo could think of! and wow you claim to be in contact with all of your family! that is a lie...and even if it weren't that doesn't prove anything. i said name a family that was still in tact. not in contact with each other...these are two very different things my child. for thou hath become one of the inbetweenies. you hath left the group and now you shall be a spy for your college dropout. i am sure many people dropout of college...but do they all then claim to have a phd and flash your money around as their own. maybe if you throw a few more dollars at rambabbleon he may knock the little sense you have left out of you. for thou hath kept the tradition of bad mouthing your lovely leader of the porcelain throne going. thanks again. you keep the words coming!

    Posted by: to red horned beast 6:05 on Jul 1, 2008 at 09:07 PM
    if you or your family has left and are still in contact with each other then you must all still be singing the praises of rama ....and cant bring yourself to be honest with yourself and speak the truth about your past and the present....you cant bring yourself to believe that that man who stood before us speaking "the word of the lord" with such authority is really a FRAUD and EVIL!!!!

    Posted by: Elina on Jul 1, 2008 at 08:08 PM
    Being forced line up and eat powdered vitamin E is good? Eating rotten duck and chicken that I watched hang in the New Building for months. Eating rotten soup and then watching kid after kid go outside and barf on the sidewalk-which I was privilaged to clean up. Staying up till 2 a.m. trying to stomach those last few bites of grisle and fat. The big celebration about the highway not going through his property-Tom Nett and I were forced to finish off that extremely sweet dessert of bananas, sugar, etc... we were the last two sitting there for another 30 minutes or so, looking at each other, trying to finish. He, with a leer in his eye, piled and piled food constantly. Not to mention the hotsauce. NO brother, no brother. LK being made to down a bottle of hotsauce, then eating a loaf of bread on the red carpet in front of everyone. This is just the surface. Oh, and apples with worms, chicken with blood. Laughter. Vomit.

    Posted by: Guess Who Location: Who Cares on Jul 1, 2008 at 08:00 PM
    Well I know for a fact that it was Robie that posted. You can't even own up to the truth when the one that would know it comes forward and tells the truth. I have been in contact with Robie and he told me he posted it. So maybe you should wise up!

    Posted by: I can't forget on Jul 1, 2008 at 06:27 PM
    I HAVE NOT REGRETTED LEAVING FOR ONE SECOND! MY INIQUITIES HAVE NOT VISITED ME AND I HAVE NOT DIED OF CANCER AS rama FALSELY PROPHESIED. Nothing but good has happened to me. The blood of the Lord Jesus has broken the power of all the curses rama tried to put on me. My Christian family and friends have stood by me and seen to it that I have had every thing I have needed every step of the way. rama IS A LIAR. ALL CHRISTIANS ARE NOT EVIL.

    Posted by: I can't forget on Jul 1, 2008 at 06:23 PM
    You are right! Yes, I do know the truth. rama has twisted your minds and hearts, and brainwashed you to believe a lie. Yes, he cooks for you. Yes he feeds you...SOMETIMES. But he destroys families, breaks hearts, lies, deceives, extorts money, teaches heresy, and uses and abuses you ALL THE TIME. And yes, my sons have gone to Wal-Mart to buy shoes, which lasted for 4 months. And then for the next 4 months they wore wet shoes full of holes because they spent all their money on the bills which rama imposed upon them every weekend. Don't tell me I am lying -- I suffered by observing this abuse week after week, until a child was beaten black and blue and bloody. That opened my eyes to see that there is no mercy or common sense left in Shawano, and I left!

    Posted by: to red horned beast Location: none of you damn bussiness on Jul 1, 2008 at 06:05 PM
    just to let you know that i am in contact with all of my brothers and sister. even if i have left or they have left, i still have contact will all of my family. it is you and all of your friends that are cold hearted baster that wont give up and leave familys alone. If they want to stay let them and it should not be any of your damn bussiness who is where and who has left, who is married to who, who is living where, what they wear. It seems to me only you or the ones that are trying to proved something it looks like you have nothing to prove, so it is time to give up. Before long this site will be shut down. i cant wait. by the way my name is robie too. since someone likes to fake or steal someones name then this is my name too! LOL HAHAHAHAH

    Posted by: Red Horned Beast Location: Burning Rama's Boxers on Jul 1, 2008 at 04:49 PM
    All ye followers shall wear tighty whities are ye shall be banished to the flames of rama's fiery boxers! Wake up people...religion is a social institution that has been used to exploit people for thousands of years. Sure some religions started with good purpose/morals/ethics...but none of these are anything that your saddhu preaches. He claims to be of a Jewish heritage yet he cannot even follow the 10 commandments. He cannot take care of his own family and has destroyed every single family that has ever come in contact with that CULT! Please name one family that is still in tact from this garbage. Oh wait there is none. The funny thing is that FAMILY is one of the most important things for Judaism. Which is one thing I actually respect of the Jewish people.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 1, 2008 at 02:43 PM
    I would rather deep fry the green goose crap that covers your holy land than eat "the best chef in the worlds" garbage. I think if I threw myself into the dumpster behind Panera Bread I would find a better meal than all of the meals that you have ever eaten at RAMBLEDAMBLE's place...or wait I mean every member that has ever been a part of this cults place...because Chester The Molester hasn't worked a day in his life. Unless you consider molesting girls before the go through puberty a job!

    Posted by: about the bipolar lunatic Location: wherever you are on Jul 1, 2008 at 01:29 PM
    As I see it, in the OT the people of God went to Him and pleaded for relief from, kings & tyranny...right? ! Well ... maybe if everyone who loves someone in that god forsaken place started praying for mercy from God on the people & KIDS... ask God to get rid of him (Rama) just like he vindicated His people many times. God hold the heart of kings WHY cant He not intervene on this nut bag?!!! He can, He can help the people, He knows their hearts, that do love, & revere Him! Right?! He is Hope , where in my opinion there is no Hope. pray that HE reveals HImself real to each member, and that they may KNOW HIM and follow His voice not the voice of the false profit! whether you left and are jaded and feel far from God, take a chance, take a minute for the those precious souls. AS we celebrate Independance day - pray for freedom for these people in their hearts & minds & freedom for their children & families! Freedom for their finances as well.

    Posted by: to he cooked for us on Jul 1, 2008 at 12:38 PM
    Ramadam was such the control freak that he even had to control how much food we ate. We couldn't dish ourselves up and decide how much food we were able to eat. Does he still do that? Or does he now pile high and make you buy the outdated food from his businesses to take home. Now that the warm weather has arrived does he provide you with ice to keep your refrigerated groceries cold? Or does he make you buy ice too? I'm glad I don't have to eat that King food!

    Posted by: He cooked for us?? Location: STOMACHACHE, in the bathroom on Jul 1, 2008 at 11:38 AM
    He cooked for us every meal? How often were these meals? Once a week? Once a month? Who asked him to cook for us? Why weren't we allowed to eat until he did cook for us? Who bought the food? Certainly not him!! The times he cooked, it was so he could pile our plates so high after we hadn't eaten for 2 days, even when we told him we didn't want that much food! Remember? Thats enough brother, thank you brother, please brother, thats enough. But he kept piling it on so he could watch us suffer. Then we had to eat all of it, for if we didn't, we would be damned to hell. Stuff ourselves to the point of pain and even vomiting. Never mind the grease stuck to the roof of our mouths. What kind of a king is tortured like this? Maybe the King of Spades! Go shovel some dirt!

    Posted by: Eat like kings?!?! Location: Had to respond to this insanity! on Jul 1, 2008 at 10:29 AM
    How does one consider eating, I mean drinking pancake batter, eating rotten chicken, oranges, apples, and whatever other food was grown and then rotted, to be King food? Maybe it started out being food fit for kings, but once it was "blessed" and cooked in the big pot and turned to overcooked, salty mush, it became well..seeing as it was our only option for a meal, I guess I could see how a King would be deserving of his holy concoctions. However, maybe you are referring to the original king's food, of hamburgers, french fries, and apple pies down by the pond..McDonald's food is definitely fit for a king. I agree, I didn't eat many ramen noodles or donuts, but I sure remember eating many cheese sandwiches..at least in the good ole days. I especially remember the Thanksgiving meals, fit for King's..until all the bretheren became bad, lower than dirt people and had to be thankful for the unrefrigerated leftovers. Or, Maybe you are referring to his special Tang diet, fit for a King!

    Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: Betyouwanttoknow on Jul 1, 2008 at 09:16 AM
    Lived, ate and treated like kings???????? Come on now! Eating cold curry with and inch of fat on top that was more often dumped down the rocks than eaten, is not eating like a king. Being forced to drink and entire gallon of milk is not drinking like a king. Try it! Its torture! Sleeping on a cement floor is not sleeping like a king. Holes in the shoes...We didnt have holes in our shoes?? It didnt matter if we had holes or not when your shoes sat outside in the rain. They were full of water either way. In no way did we ever get dressed like kings! We were dressed in homemade clothes because all the money was given to ramdam. This is absolutely insane that you say these things. Get a grip on reality. This cult is nothing about treating people good. It is about destruction, betrayal and complete separatation from anything that has any amount of normalcy

    Posted by: Dr. Satan Location: royal porcelain throne on Jul 1, 2008 at 07:52 AM
    Sadly, the remaining Rumadumbellerites are quite dillusional. The great and mighty dr. extortion hath made known unto them that they eat live and dress like kings. Now that there would make a very interesting king. Of course they don't know any better because mr deception has robbed everyone of them of any thinking or reasoning capabilities. I wonder which king works 90 hours for free as a maid and gas station attendant. Don't you people remember the rants and raves about if you leave shawano "you're going to be a bottom-feeder gas station attendant"? What are you guys doing now? This guy's whole life is a lie. And he continues living his posh millionaire lifestyle, donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to jewish temples? I thought chester the molester is a Hindu? How many of you servants of the great sadhu have anything resembling a retirement account? Have any of you ever seen the inside if this great liar's castle? Get off the internet an get back to work for allah needs ur $!!!

    Posted by: Sheba Location: maggots on Jul 1, 2008 at 01:08 AM
    We ate like kings? I guess the amount of food we got was a high amount...who says it was any good? Did it not have maggots in it? yes! Weren't the apples browned a lot and we were forced to eat everything, even if we were full. Kings can choose when to stop eating, so we did not live like kings. Forcing someone to eat is TORTURE, not healthy! I remember going to wal-mart, but honestly, is Wal-Mart the best place for shoes, or is it just the cheapest? We need shoes to live as people in regular society, so why wouldn't we shop at the cheapest place. It's cheaper to buy shoes than to make them!

    Posted by: To I can't forget, on Jun 30, 2008 at 05:57 PM
    You lie outright. YOu have forgotten how somebody cooked for us every meal, and we ate like kings. There was more food than we could eat in one meal. The food was cooked by the best cook I have ever known. Don't say we ate ramen noodles and donuts. YOu ask how I know? I am not even a relative yet was closer to them than you ever were in your entire life. Shoes with holes? Funny, I remember going to wal-mart and getting shoes at the same time as them. Double check your stories. Your children are fed like kings, live like kings and dress like kings. Why? Because they are not crazy like you. You can deny it, tell all the lies you want but we all know the truth, including yourself.

    Posted by: Hitler Location: betyouwanttoknow on Jun 27, 2008 at 04:38 PM
    Rama, come on now. How exactly do you plan on swimming in the pool if it is full of kids? Visions! Visions! Visions!

    Posted by: Elina on Jun 26, 2008 at 02:18 PM
    Taking a few moments of my day to talk on here does not mean I have a bad life. If you are on here, that means you are wasting your precious time as well. Rama, when you go back, don't take any of our people with you--and send those back that are there now!! The junk heathens want to stick together and help each other. We are a mighty force to be reckoned with. Go away!

    Posted by: I can't forget on Jun 26, 2008 at 12:48 PM
    Over and over in the Shawano dungeon, I was taught that Christian parents do not love their children. They are nothing but mistakes and unwanted products. I want to tell you rama, "You are wrong!" I love my children and I want them back! You have no right to use them as slaves! I watched them work in the winter with wet shoes full of holes year after year after year. I watched them eat raman noodles and old stale doughnuts while you feasted on fancy fish and USDA prime steak. While my sons worked for a pittance and had it all sucked out on Sunday afternoon. I CAN'T FORGET how your slaves built all the buildings at your track, and went home deeply in debt because they did not get their pittance while continuing to have to pay their Sunday dues. Rama, could I please have my children back? Would you please return your 3 blonde "daughters" to their parents and grandparents? You took all our money, but you CANNOT KEEP OUR CHILDREN! LET OUR CHILDREN GO!!!

    Posted by: To Rama on Jun 26, 2008 at 12:28 PM
    That's right! Rama came here, reaped the benefits of our Christian heritage, and condemned Christianity. Let him go back and enjoy the benefits of his wonderful "Eastern culture" that he promotes so aggressively. Look at cursed India compared to USA. "America, America, God shed His grace on Thee." America has sadly turned her back on the God that has blessed her, but it was the Lord Jesus and Christianity that made this country great. Go back to India, Rama!!!

    Posted by: hey rama Location: this is the INS on Jun 26, 2008 at 08:50 AM
    please leave our country already! you are no longer welcomed here, and you don't deserve to ever have met people like us. under normal circumstances, we wouldn't even look in your direction, you disgraceful, cowardly destroyer of families!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 25, 2008 at 04:00 PM
    I thought those visions smelled a little like doo-doo! Something smells in here! Looks like another vision shall arrive after I drop the kids off at the pool! By the way they are not your kids...give them BACK!!!NOW!

    Posted by: Justifying yourself Location: Private Life on Jun 25, 2008 at 03:43 PM
    Excuse me please, excuse me please, pardon me please, Brother? Brother, could you please respond? We don't know what to think. All these questions are being asked about you. Surely if lies are being told, you will correct the misconceptions. Thank you Brother.

    Posted by: satan Location: Under the blue tarp on Jun 25, 2008 at 03:11 PM
    Don't worry, Dr. Ramdam will not be responding for he is performing surgery today. For those of you who don't know, he owns hospitals and he is a brain surgeon with a very busy practice of destroying families and extorting money from every poor soul that crosses his path. He will not be responding to his son who has become a Christian you-know-what. After surgery he will be returning to his quest of returning to his Jewish heritage even though he was raised a Hindu and dreamed his whole life of becoming a Hindu Sadhu. Come on, that makes sense, right? In the mean time, there will be women and children on the fore front to protect the "Dr-of-destruction" from any "false" accusations from the outside. Men and bretheren hold your peace for Dr. Ramdam is about to have another vision in his royal bathroom. WAKE UP, this guy is a FRAUD!!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 25, 2008 at 01:45 PM
    Like Nike says "Just Do It"!

    Posted by: get out people Location: just get out on Jun 25, 2008 at 12:26 PM
    Everyone!Please go read the remarks posted by Robie in the comments section after Part 2. He extinguishes some of the far-fetched lies that Rama has told you, and he invites a truthful dialogue. To Rama and members: can you talk in words of truth or are you just simply too scared to do so? Remember how much value was supposedly placed on us "telling the truth" at one point in time. Is it even possible for you, Rama and current members, to speak without lying at all? It is outrageous that up to this point, current members simply cannot post without lying or repeating Rama's lies. It is even more remarkable that Rama, the self-proclaimed great champion of "technology" (which is such a blatant lie and joke that you ALL should be able to see by now, seriously!) is not capable of getting online and participating HIMSELF in this blog. It is a cowardly act, of course, but it surprises nobody who knew him. Just get out! Call a family member who is out and help will be there ASAP. Do it.

    Posted by: To: Rama directly responsible? on Jun 24, 2008 at 08:11 PM
    I did not in any way mean to excuse the actions of the pedophiles. What they did was reprehensible. But Rama as their spiritual leader did nothing to instill principlees of Biblical morality in them. He did the opposite by steering them away from the Bible and talking the way he did about sex; for example, suggesting that women were available at any truck stop. I remember his saying once that E.G. was good for nothing but breeding and similar things about other bretherns's wives. He told one of the brethren's daughters that if she had any urges she needed to release, M.G. and J.H. were available to help her. She was shocked and told Rama she did not have any such urges. Rama said and did many outrageous things like that. If he were truly a man of God as he claimed he was, things could have beem much different.

    Posted by: to Rama directly responsible on Jun 24, 2008 at 06:03 PM
    I agree with you. It is interesting that the men who molested children are the ones who hardly, if ever, got publicly rebuked and humiliated by Rama. The ones who Rama did regularly rebuke and send the mob after are the men who would have never even thought of doing such a thing and were pretty good fathers all things considered. Rama showed the porno pictures maybe 1 or 2 weekends and he showed them to a few people in the meeting.

    Posted by: Rama directly responsible? on Jun 24, 2008 at 03:32 PM
    I'm not so sure about that. 25% of the men in there molested their daughters and/or their peers' daughters. Not to mention Rama. Regardless, 75% DID NOT!! What about the men who kept their hands to themselves!!!! Some of these guys had to have had something inside of them to do this. At least a little. Yes, it may have been ignited by the environment, but did they have to follow-through? From personal experience, I know that one of them does not "get it". That is, the extent of what they did. I don't know about the rest. I think that yes, most of the adults should get immunity on some level, but some of these crimes are too much to let slide. p.s. I don't remember images of pornographic nature being shown and neither does my family. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but it wasn't consistent. Growing up in there, I did not succumb to what I was raised to be. If someone did not grow up in there, how could They?!?!

    Posted by: It's My Life Location: Bon Jovi 1988 on Jun 24, 2008 at 02:32 PM
    "This is a song for the brokenhearted, A silent prayer for faith departed, I ain't gonna be just a face in the crowd, You're gonna hear my voice when I shout it out loud.... It's my life, it's now or never! I ain't gonna live forever! I just wanna live while I'm alive. My heart is like an open highway. Like Frankie said, I did it my way, I just wanna live while I'm alive. It's my life! This is for the ones who stood their ground, It's for Tommy and Gina who never backed down, Tomorrow's gettin' harder, make no mistake, Luck - it ain't enough you gotta make your own breaks! It's my life, it's now or never! I ain't gonna live forever! I just wanna live while I'm alive! My heart is like an open highway, Like Frankie said, I did it my way, I just wanna live while I'm alive. It's my life! Better stand tall when they're callin' you out. Don't bend don't break baby don't back down! Well it's now or never! I ain't gonna live forever, It's my life!"

    Posted by: To Ruth on Jun 24, 2008 at 02:09 PM
    Rama is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the fact that some of the brethren were pedophiles! If you want to know the fruit, look at the root. The Lord Jesus said, "By their fruits you shall know them." Those sex offenders were the result of DECADES of teaching by Rama. He often used vulgar sexual expressions and even showed pornagraphic photos to the brethren, their wives and their children, as an example of the bad things Christians do. On the other hand, Israel's Kiing David wrote, "Thy word have I hid in my heart, that I might not sin against Thee." Rama denigrated Bible reading, especially the NT, and ridiculed Bible memorization, which is what King David said would keep one from sinning against the Lord. Those pedophiles probably never memorized any of God's word -- just Rama's. Rama portrayed his revelations received while in the bathroom as equivelent to or better than Scripture, because they were fresh revelation. REVELATION FROM WHERE?

    Posted by: to Ruth on Jun 24, 2008 at 09:33 AM
    Yes, some of those brethren were pedophiles and Rama knew about it and protected them! Those brethren should be held accountable and so should Rama! Rama had the power to stop it and as a minister or pastor to the Disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ he had the moral and ethical if not legal duty to contact the authorities. But he didn't because he thought it would "bring reproach" to him. As a result children suffered and he didn't care! Rama protected Gaeland because Gaeland was a skilled woodworker and was doing work in Rama's living quarters for free! It was around the time Gaeland started rebelling that it all came out in a meeting. Rama said that if Gaeland "had listened" to Rama his crime would have been "kept under the blood". In other words, continued to be covered up by Rama!

    Posted by: Ruth Location: nowhere on Jun 23, 2008 at 09:08 PM
    As much as what Rama is doing is messed up, the fathers in the cult who used the situation as an excuse to sexually abuse young girls and who now claim that "brainwashing" caused them to sexually abuse those girls, that is a copout. That is a lack of responsibility. You as parents and adults, need to take responsibility. YOU did it. Not the "brainwashing". YOU did it and you are sick.

    Posted by: More Rama lies exposed on Jun 22, 2008 at 10:32 PM
    For anyone not monitoring the comments under Part 2, please go there and see the recent POST BY RAMA'S SON exposing more of his father's lies.

    Posted by: Elina on Jun 22, 2008 at 03:22 PM
    Jimmy Swaggart fell from the Lord. Then repented. Jim Baker fell from the Lord. Then repented. Rama Behera fell from the Lord. Then uh, uh, hmn?

    Posted by: Elina on Jun 22, 2008 at 03:11 PM
    I'm glad that we are all communicating; hopefully healing can come out of all of this and perhaps more will come to their senses. "Lord willing". It's a start. p.s. A test was done on the history of events and type of environment of Rama's--a comparative look with other cults and world leaders (Hitler, Stalin). Want to know where we ranked? Almost even with Hitler. Rama is the 2nd or 3rd worst cult leader of record. According to this test. Formed by experienced and learned professionals (70 yrs).

    Posted by: Gray Hair Location: Experience, Experience on Jun 22, 2008 at 03:04 PM
    To those of you who live a double life - IT DOESN'T WORK, and it won't ever work! You cannot have a life in Shawano on the weekends and another life the other five days of the week. Leave Shawano and leave Rama completely. Leave NOW!

    Posted by: Elina on Jun 22, 2008 at 02:58 PM
    You have the right to have your faith and beliefs. There is no crime in that. There is nothing wrong with believing in the Lord and following teachings. However, if they are used to hurt, control, or abuse human beings... I would love more than anything not to have bad memories and still have that good faith and feelings for the Lord. When I get down on my knees to pray, I feel Rama's boot in my back from the many times he kicked me there over the years. Tell me how is it that Rama is good yet all of us correlate him with bad, with pain, with grief. Some of us don't even talk talk to each other. Yet, the same conclusions are obvious. There's a theme here. Not a conspiracy. If he did nothing wrong, we would indeed leave him alone. I'm not expecting to get anything from him (money, etc...) by attacking him. I am happy in my life and don't need anything. I would rather talk good and happy than anger and sad. We all would. Hello?!?!?

    Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: betyouwanttoknow on Jun 22, 2008 at 01:24 PM
    I only answer to myself. I will not bow my head in shame. I live this life with no regrets.

    Posted by: the fisher and catcher of men on Jun 22, 2008 at 10:22 AM
    RE: "Rama lied to her and asked her to work "for a few weeks" till they hired someone from the outside. YEARS later she is still there. " This is the technique of "bait and switch" Rama has used this technique countless times to get the brethren to do something he knows they don't want to do or to believe something he knows they won't accept.

    Posted by: To Ann Location: Sheba on Jun 22, 2008 at 05:36 AM
    Thank you for posting these things are so true. I couldn't say it better. It wasn't my choice to be in the cult, but it's not your fault either. You were brainwashed into believing Rama and thinking what you were doing was best for us kids. I just wished someone had gotten us out earlier, before Cattle Prods and maggots became an occurrence. If it's such a free country, with free choice of religion, why can't we try to get people out? Deprogramming hasn't really happened recently, I only know of a few stories, and considering how happy I am outside, it makes me want to become one so that these children can realize the truth about Rama. I am going to help people, because it's what I would have wanted. Mainly, getting out of the cult requires emotional help, the rest comes once you are emotionally stable...when you can actual get a decent job and find ex-members to help you.

    Posted by: SRR on Jun 21, 2008 at 04:32 PM
    I realize that most of the children are probably not born again, but most of the adults that came in 1974 were. I don't know if one can lose his salvation or not, but if not, then many of you still have the Lord in you, too. You need to recognize that. Rama once called my attention to Philemon 6, which says, "That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus." I appreciated that and thought about it many times. When I acknowledge "every good thing which is in me in the Lord Jesus," it results in an attempt to communicate my faith to people by giving them gospel pamphlets and talking to them about their relationship with the Lord. Whether or not is effectual the Lord will judge, but at least that is how I put my faith into action, which is what you said you wanted me to do. I've heard that people in Shawano laugh about it, but as you say, "GOD is the judge" so I am content to leave it at that.

    Posted by: SRR on Jun 21, 2008 at 04:04 PM
    Someone (Kal?) said: "and SRR we already know you spend to much time preaching it - following the bible requires heart not endless recitation .. " I agree that following the Bible/Lord requires heart, and that endless recitation does not equate to spirituality. But the question I have for you is, "Heart for what?" When I was with the brethren, an often repeated phrase I heard was "heart for Brother." The greatest Shawano disciples were those with a "heart for Brother." T. and his boys have a "great heart for Brother." But what is the first and great commandment? "And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." We are to have a heart for the LORD, not Brother. The Shawano teaching is all twisted and perverted to exalt a MAN and not GOD! Oh, but, you will say, "But we worship the Lord IN Brother." The plain fact is that all born-again believers have the Lord in them (e.g.,see Rom 8:9).

    Posted by: About the showers Location: Independent Spirit on Jun 21, 2008 at 08:37 AM
    Rama certainly has EVERYTHING to do with the showers! He's the one who made the stupid rule that everyone has to take these unnecessary ceremonial showers at V's. The facilities, a private home, are inadequate for 150 people to shower! Why can't the people use the nice big two-headed shower in Rama's house? Rama has access to money to buy all sorts of businesses to benefit HIMSELF but he doesn't bother to use any of that money to build a shower house with enough showers and toilets to accomodate his faithful followers. So don't tell us Rama had nothing to do with the showers. You must be blind.

    Posted by: to who done it on Jun 21, 2008 at 08:13 AM
    CHOSEN lifestyle? You must not be a very dedicated member, and you must be backslidden. Do you think M.N. has CHOSEN to live 5 hours from home and not mother her children, all to work in Rama's gas station for 5 years, 7 days a week, 10 hours a day for FREE with no health or retirement benefits? DON'T THINK SO! Rama lied to her and asked her to work "for a few weeks" till they hired someone from the outside. YEARS later she is still there. What choice does she have? If she turned in her 2 week notice Rama would scream and yell at her, tell her she was going to hell and cursing her life and children plus he'd turn her husband and children against her. What would home life be like then?

    Posted by: Mouth Stopper on Jun 20, 2008 at 11:12 PM
    Titus 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

    Posted by: Faith Contender on Jun 20, 2008 at 11:11 PM
    Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

    Posted by: Gospel Preacher on Jun 20, 2008 at 11:10 PM
    1Co 9:16 Yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

    Posted by: Seed Sower on Jun 20, 2008 at 11:09 PM
    Lu 8:5 A sower went out to sow his seed: Lu 8:11 The seed is the word of God. Ps 126:5 They that sow in tears shall reap in joy.

    Posted by: to about the showers on Jun 20, 2008 at 10:54 PM
    To repeat previous posts, the reason those showers are the way they are is because people use them. RAMA is responsible for those showers being used because HE was the one who decided the brethren, his weekend guests, were so bad that they couldn't use his holy toilet or holy shower. Its RAMA's expenses that eat up all the brethrens money making them totally broke and thats why the showers are neglected.

    Posted by: who the hell cares Location: w.t.h.c. on Jun 20, 2008 at 08:05 PM
    to: who done it/ go away.... you all make me sick! if you are happy w/ YOUR CHOICE then great... not Christian, NOT JEW(for darn sure) not hindu (well maybe) , working for the financial betterment of 1 man, a** backward ways, screwed up kids, broken families, stubborness, totally broke, insecure & not adjusted kids, Yeah WE ALL WILL ANSWER TO GOD. yes, you're right ... all anyone is saying "there may be a better, wholesome , happy, healthy life waiting for you" Have a wife/ hubby you want, work, rest , make a living, have a complete faith absent of abuse- absent of manipulations etc etc ...geeeezzzz it's just something to think about.

    Posted by: Ann-to Who done it? Location: Wherever on Jun 20, 2008 at 07:01 PM
    We "whine" because we care about those who are still there. You have a choice, but the children do NOT. They shouldn't have to wait until Rama meets his Maker to answer for it, or to just plain stop doing it. I can live with what Rama did to me, but not what he did to my children, both directly and by allowing him to yank me around psychologically. I was not the kind of mother I should have been because of his grip on me. Now I've spent more than 12 yrs trying to make up for it and set things right. Zapping people with a cattle prod is abuse, as is making them stand by a pole or putting them in a barrel for hours. But my critical thinking was so dulled by the psychological grip he had on me I could not see it. And if I had known at the time of the other stuff that was going on, I would have been out of there in a shot. Because I did manage, somehow, to hang onto a few basic concepts of right and wrong. Rama appearing to girls in his underwear, and doing who knows what else? Oy!

    Posted by: Who done it? con't on Jun 20, 2008 at 03:20 PM
    You all make me sick! You whine and moan about the unfairness and the unjustice you have been served. Well SRR... God IS the judge - to all of you . GOD is the judge.. so why don't we sit back and let him do his job. If you think you have been so wronged then why don't you try fasting and prayer.. or is that going to mess up your metabolism Gail.. and then time will tell who was right and who was wrong. Because we all have to answer for our actions. So be prepared to answer for yours. Jewish people don't sit around and complain and whine how unfairly they have been treated. They have shown the world their quality. Maybe it is time for you to follow example and quit blaming everyone else. Point the finger at yourself and find out where you went wrong. If B is wrong then he will have to answer just as much as you or I. So be a good "Christian" since being Jewish is so bad SRR. Burn people at the stake, torture and condemn them and then quake before God and answer to him for your actions.

    Posted by: Who done it? on Jun 20, 2008 at 02:58 PM
    When we post comments we are cruel and spouting what we were told to say. So who is telling you what to say? Why are you allowed to be cruel to us? Oh that's right it is not cruelty but "your version" of the truth. So who is the judge of right and wrong? The law? When, after I am dragged kicking and screaming from my CHOSEN lifestyle - or are you planning on deprogramming me too? Remember Nancy.. funny how fast you forget! How your rights were denied because someone else took that decision away from you. Huh, and I thought I was in a land where my religion was my own. Guess I can scratch that idea. Where are the good Christians now SRR?? What happened to the Lord's own teaching - You who have no sin cast the first stone. So aim already!! You aren't a sinner.. Not at all.. SRR - you recite so much but I see no action. I am told that I am not a believer but doesn't God look at a man's heart? Who made YOU God and judge over me. When my time comes I will answer to God and NO MAN. cont'

    Posted by: To: About the showers.. on Jun 20, 2008 at 02:37 PM
    Its funny that you blame the state of the "showers" on B. How is it that this has anything to do with him.. if you or anyone else was negligent or careless when using the showers then it was your - no in fact all of our - responsiblity to take care of it. He didn't have anything to do with it.

    Posted by: Go Away on Jun 20, 2008 at 02:33 PM
    It's amazing how many of you are claiming to have been told not to read the New Testament.. I'm sorry but I really don't ever recall being told that. Besides.. what is he saying that is so wrong.. have you ever researched all the differences between bibles.. king james.. mormon.. catholic.. seriously - And if that's all you are going to preach at us about then please do us a favor and get lost. Have you even bothered reading the bible even .. (and SRR we already know you spend to much time preaching it - following the bible requires heart not endless recitation .. (by the way how's nancy doing.. great couple! wink wink..)) oh yea thats right. It would be a waste of your time because you are too busy posting your snide and cruel remarks on here. Do us all a favor.. get on with your lives and let us get on with ours.. If this life is a mistake then it is mine to make.

    Posted by: Critical Thinker Location: Independent Spirit on Jun 20, 2008 at 12:34 PM
    To Mr. Cohen's followers: It is very hard, but the sooner you make the break and get out of there, the sooner you can start recovering emotionally & financially. Although you'll pay a price for leaving, such as being shunned by family and friends still there and having lies told about you, it is worth it to leave your misery behind and start a new life. Many of you have been in for 33-34 years, if not for your entire life. It is not too late! Stop wasting away the years of your life! When I left I had to leave behind people I cared a lot about. Those of you still there, I consider you friends and I look forward to meeting you again out here, on the other side.

    Posted by: to: to muse... on Jun 19, 2008 at 09:42 PM
    They will come out. Rama can't keep up his deficit spending forever, and truth is more powerful than error...it's just a matter of time.

    Posted by: to muse rama/obama Location: USA on Jun 19, 2008 at 05:34 PM
    BRAVO.. well said....I wonder if anyone will actually take a chance & try a new life?

    Posted by: Critical Thinker Location: Independent Spirit on Jun 19, 2008 at 04:30 PM
    To "anonymous": Rama said the thing about the donkey a long time ago, when he still DID read the New Testament. The point is, this is ONE MORE THING that he's changed. If the original brethren in the 70s would have known one day Rama would tell them not to read the NT, they would have run the other way and never gotten tangled up with this opportunist.

    Posted by: Critical Thinker Location: Indepent Spirit on Jun 19, 2008 at 01:58 PM
    How would Rama know Jesus rode on a donkey if he doesn't read the New Testament or believe what it contains? MORE INCONSISTENCIES FROM RAMA.

    Posted by: Musings on Rama and Obama Location: USA! on Jun 19, 2008 at 12:49 PM
    I hope Cohen's followers have the AUDACITY to believe that CHANGE is needed and that CHANGE can be WONDERFUL. I hope they DARE to believe in God and THEMselves and not in Rama's false predictions and empty promises. I hope they HOPE for (and live) a happy and fulfilling life...

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 19, 2008 at 12:47 PM
    Its funny how you all just got done saying that this group doesnt believe in the New Testament so how could they all the sudden believe that the Lord was on a donkey. Maybe you are the donkey and just arent saying it.

    Posted by: EenyMeenyMO Location: Netherworld on Jun 18, 2008 at 07:45 PM
    At least when it comes to politics, it's easy to know where Rama stands; he's a Democrat! According to Rama, that's because the Lord chose to ride into Jerusalem on a DONKEY! What a relief! Rama's followers don't need to know or understand the issues, just pull that DONKEY lever.

    Posted by: LJMR on Jun 18, 2008 at 05:45 PM
    Remeber the next pope in 1974 was gong to be Andrew/Andy and he was going to be the Anti-Christ. I think there have been three since then and we are still waiting for Andy...

    Posted by: EenyMeenyMO Location: Netherworld on Jun 18, 2008 at 12:28 PM
    If a prophet (read profit) says Billy G will die soon, so what if it's 34 years and still breathing. He's still going to die "soon" - anytime in the future can arguably be "soon." But Rama's predictions are as good as flipping a coin.

    Posted by: To LJMR Location: neighbor on Jun 18, 2008 at 07:32 AM
    Maybe that is why Rama tells them not to read the new testament, because he violates so much of it! Rama wouldn't want his followers to read about Jesus driving the money changers out the temple, they might see some SIMILARITIES! It's better for Rama's agenda to tell them the new testament isn't credible and not to read it.

    Posted by: About the Showers Location: Nearby on Jun 18, 2008 at 12:35 AM
    So, Rama asked who wants to fix the showers? RAMA should use some of the money he spends on himself and his posh lifestyle to fix the showers! It's Rama who decided everyone had to shower at Dennis and David's! How can anyone volunteer to fix Dennis and David's showers when everyone's money is being eaten up by Rama and all his "expenses"? It costs money to fix the showers! David and Dennis' families didn't cause the showers to get that way. David and Dennis should receive some money back from Rama to fix the showers. Rama is the one in control of the money! If Rama thought fixing the showers was any kind of priority, it would have been done. It is ABSURD to blame the brethren for the condition of the showers, and to say that no one "wanted" to fix them. The truth is, Rama spends the brethren's money as he chooses, for his own benefit, and many of the brethren live in squalor, putting up with those showers as a result. Use your common sense! It is what it is!

    Posted by: LJMR on Jun 17, 2008 at 09:04 PM
    Re: "High-pressure sales of his wares in conjunction with meetings" If the Lord Jesus drove the money changers out of the Jewish temple with a whip when He walked on this planet, what would He do to Rama for all the business he conducts in his worship meetings?

    Posted by: no believer on Jun 17, 2008 at 07:27 PM
    anonymous probably wasn't in the meeting because he was earning his way out of purgatory by working at the busineses

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 17, 2008 at 03:45 PM
    And tell Rama to make a bunk room or two for his slaves that have been coming on the weekend for over 30 years. Prisoners in a prison have better accomodations; they get to sleep on cots!

    Posted by: To: Health consultant on Jun 17, 2008 at 03:19 PM
    HAAAAA TAHTS FUNNY think about it if the sewer pipes were big enough to accomodate the city why does he not just own the Sanitary District. HMMM that might be a VERY good idea. The all the RAMA HATERS would move out of the city because they don't what to pay HIM for the Sewer/Water. PEACE AT LAST!!!!

    Posted by: To: to To Anonymous Location: u would like to know on Jun 17, 2008 at 03:00 PM
    I can remember the question was asked about who wanted to fix the showers before the worms came and none of the brethren responded but ONE person. And why should only that one person pay for that. Were you in that meeting probley not because you think you know so much!!!!

    Posted by: Former Victim Location: Out! on Jun 17, 2008 at 02:16 PM
    Any of you "older brethren" remember Rama saying in 1974 that he had "a vision" of flowers around Billy Graham's head, and that it meant Billy Graham was "going to die soon." Hmmm that was 34 years ago and Billy Graham is still alive. Just one more example of Rama trying to impress us with "the word of the Lord" and IT NEVER HAPPENED.

    Posted by: Former Victim Location: Out! on Jun 17, 2008 at 02:10 PM
    I remember in 1974 when Rama, fueled by his hatred for organized churches, said, "If I ever pass a collection plate in the meetings, it means I've backslidden, and SEE MY FACE NO MORE." What Rama is doing now is far beyond passing a collection plate. High-pressure sales of his wares in conjunction with meetings. Pressuring his followers to give thousands to "meet an expense." Anybody recall an unspecified "expense" of about $9,000 in June 2007 that Rama was pressuring the brethren to cough up the money for? That was for Debby's funeral! He didn't even tell you what it was for! What else does he spend your hard-earned money on, that you don't know about? The "school"? YEA RIGHT! Come on, open your eyes! How much more obvious can it be, that he is backslidden? It is time to SEE HIS FACE NO MORE!

    Posted by: Health consultant on Jun 17, 2008 at 12:56 PM
    I have a great idea. Those showers which are a health hazard can be ripped out and D&G can have their house back. New bathrooms and a shower room can be built in Rama's house. He has enough room, thousands of square feet and sewer pipes big enough to accomodate a city! How about it?

    Posted by: to To Anonymous Location: u would like to know on Jun 17, 2008 at 12:21 PM
    It's RAMA's fault the showers are like that...if HE had to take a shower there they would be fixed. If he CARED the problem would be fixed the next weekend and the funds be raised to fix them. How many brethren do you know would object to getting those showers fixed and would be more than happy to donate money for it? Who owns the ducks that poop anywhere they please and that destroy the neighbors lawns?

    Posted by: RL Location: Chicago on Jun 17, 2008 at 12:02 PM
    But the next year nothing was replaced. For a long while I blamed it on the rerouting of HWY. 29 or the presence of WalMart. I’m sure those had some impact but not to the current extent. I believe the gas station on 29 (across from Perkins) is owned by Rama because one year after filling up there is when I felt something amiss as I walked out. The same thing at the gas station near the Goodwill. Also I noticed the volume of cars at the Best Western was considerably less. I could go on and on but you get the picture. If a ‘church’ encourages a swingers party that’s got to raise a flag. If their compound has to put up tarps to hide prying eyes, they have something to hide. Rama is hoarding land and businesses like crazy. There are way too many red flags being raised there not to notice. I would equate it to the movie “Invasion of The Body Snatchers”. Really! I will be making my way up there soon but before I do I’ll do my homework and find out exactly which businesses are not owned by Ra

    Posted by: RL Location: Chicago on Jun 17, 2008 at 11:42 AM
    I have been vacationing in Shawano nearly year since the early 1960's and after watching these reports can finally understand what I sensed was happening, albeit slowly. I feel I have an unusual perspective as any changes viewed are more apparent when compared on a yearly basis vs. a day-to-day life there. First, I must convey that I view any positive comment posted here as one posted by a 'member' of their outfit. A ringer. Also I must say, if not obvious by my yearly visits, that I absolutely love Shawano and the people there. With that being said the changes were obvious but perplexing. I can recall in the early years of the county beach being so packed with vacationers it was hard to find a place in the sand and one next year... nobody. That I blame on the ‘itchies’ (I’m sure most know what I mean). The changes I noticed were that businesses were drying up all over town. I thought it would be interesting to see what comes in that spot next year. But the next year nothing was rep

    Posted by: To: Anonymous June 16 Location: u would like to know on Jun 17, 2008 at 11:41 AM
    About the showers who choice was it not to fix them up? Not who everyone is blaming here.

    Posted by: Elina on Jun 16, 2008 at 08:57 PM
    Thanks for the support. Just so you know, (everyone else) I am a fully competent adult standing on my own two feet, taking care of myself and many others. And enough energy and perserverence left over to help you if need be. At the end of the day, I'll still be out partying, writing books, and giving lectures. That's just the surface. This forum is not about me. It's about one man and how he has negatively influenced this world and our lives. Please stay focused. I didn't attack you or any of the brethren. If anything, I pray for you.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 16, 2008 at 04:01 PM
    Oh no. I used the word one instead of on! I shall surely be cast to the demons now! I must be a complete moron! Whoop Whoop! Raise the roof up in here!

    Posted by: To: figure it on Jun 16, 2008 at 01:42 PM
    Who said Elina could not take care of herself? You people need to know there is healing from the trauma we have suffered in Shawano. It may take time, but it is possible. Those who have come out of it, are in the best postion to help others.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 16, 2008 at 01:37 PM
    To: Figure It Out...before you come one here and insult Elina saying she shouldn't use big words...you may want to actually make sure that you are spelling the big words that you use right. Traumatized is spelled like that...get it right. So before you attack make sure you check yourself. Doesn't make you look to wise insulting a persons intellect when you can't even spell a word correctly. And another thing...being traumatized does not mean that a person can not take care of themselves. wake up. PUPPET!

    Posted by: Observer Location: Close Enough on Jun 16, 2008 at 01:23 PM
    It's interesting that Snow/Well trained robot/Dan can do nothing but dish out cruel insults and call people names, but he has NO reasonable explanation for the real issues here. He has been well trained in abusive behaviors. Not surprising.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 16, 2008 at 12:37 PM
    I also had a nice day yesterday. I slept in till 8:30 and had breakfast. I then ran some errands, did some household chores in my apt and planned my week. Some friends called and I visited with them for a while. That sure beats having to wake up at 3/4/5am to walk 2-3 blocks on a duck poop/diarrhea covered sidewalk to take a shower in a leaky, dirty, mildew and worm infested shower that makes mini-ponds in the shower room. I also didn't have to be in the meeting room by 6:30 and pretend to pray while sleeping. I wasn't conned into buying groceries and other items from Rama. I didn't have to donate money I don't have to causes I do not know much about. My milk is not sour and my ice cream not melted when it gets home. Life is GOOD!

    Posted by: figure it out Location: figure it out on Jun 16, 2008 at 12:31 PM
    Elina dont use big words you will strain the few brain cells you actually have left. you have said you are so tramatizied by your past yet you are offering to help other people leave this group. how are you going to offer mental financal and emotional support if you cant even take care of yourself.

    Posted by: to ELINA on Jun 15, 2008 at 08:48 PM
    Elina , I like you! You're funny !!!!! you're lucky.

    Posted by: to WELL TRAINED ROBO A** Location: WI (7:12 am) on Jun 15, 2008 at 08:41 PM
    HEY GUESS WHAT ? Poor boyfriend can't marry sad girl because Rama & all the cult cut off his stones & put them in their pockets. You are just as bad... he used to be happy, he used to have hope of a NORMAL LIFE...I remember when he was vibrant, until you all squashed him & scream "pinky" at him... I am surprised he hasn't rang all your necks. OH PS smart little robot...he "saw her for what she really was.." what ever- you never knew her - and she never had anything against you or your "group".

    Posted by: To Elina on Jun 15, 2008 at 06:07 PM
    Or maybe they are finally realizing that every time they try to defend Rama they are just digging his grave deeper by prolonging the dialog.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 15, 2008 at 02:31 PM
    yeah you wouldnt miss a meal

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 15, 2008 at 01:14 PM
    Hallelujah! I am at work...but the great part is I get paid. And time and a half at that. I bet most are not in a meeting because now not is it only holy to wipe ram-dumbs a**...it is also holy to work through the weekend at his businesses for less than nothing. condemnation at that!

    Posted by: Me Location: Your back yard on Jun 15, 2008 at 01:08 PM
    Wsaw tv you have not posted my last two comments why?

    Posted by: Me Location: your back yard on Jun 15, 2008 at 12:11 PM
    Where your bf srr oh sorry in church

    Posted by: Me Location: Your back yard on Jun 15, 2008 at 12:04 PM
    Or mabe you people just need a life if this is all you got to do on a sunday morning. Eat all morning, after noon and night, What a life! Its no wounder why you are such a sad fat a** with nothing better to do.

    Posted by: to THE WELL-TRAINED ROBOT on Jun 15, 2008 at 11:58 AM
    you must not pay attention in the meetings and/or forgotten what Rama teaches/taught. Do you not remember when Margie came to a couple of meetings, one time she came with her new Native American husband, one time she came alone. The time she came alone Rama told margie in the meeting that she was going to spend all of eternity in the lake of fire for divorcing Gene, the husband Rama married Margie off to, and getting remarried. WHAT ABOUT THAT!

    Posted by: to Ann on Jun 15, 2008 at 10:13 AM
    well said.

    Posted by: Elina on Jun 15, 2008 at 09:09 AM
    Oh guess what!!!!! Suddenly there are no rhetorical comments from the Shawanoites. Hmmm, wonder why. Oh yeah, it's Sunday and they are stuck in a boring, no, excrutiating meeting. For the whole darn weekend. Away from their computers. So we can talk all we want. Sp,sp,spspspspspsp Whisper, Oh, it feels good to sleep in, to plan my day, or not. Listen to music I want, talk to who I want, PEE When I WANT, EAT when I WANT. And my purse gets to stay closed!!!!! Or I can spend my money on breakfast and eat all morning.

    Posted by: THE WELL TRAINED ROBOT aka SNOW on Jun 15, 2008 at 07:12 AM
    LOL or maybe he saw her for the kind of person she really is. Everybody can make any choice they want, its just a matter of what they choose to do. And no we were never taught that a person will be cursed if they remarry. Thats your own wharped thoughts.

    Posted by: to THE WELL TRAINED ROBOT on Jun 14, 2008 at 04:24 PM
    Why can not sad girlfriend's boyfriend marry her? Doesn't he have the choice to marry who ever he wants? No, because RAMA wants him to be miserable, he has told people they will be cursed if they re marry. Is this choice or coercion via religion?

    Posted by: to Ann on Jun 14, 2008 at 03:41 PM
    Maybe Rama figures he is a neurosurgeon because he conducts "virtual" frontal lobotomies on poor gullible religious midwesterners.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 14, 2008 at 10:24 AM
    Don't be tempted by the shiny apple! Don't you eat of the bitter fruit! Hunger only for a taste of justice! Hunger only for a world of truth! 'Cause all that you have is your soul! Thank Emmylou Harris for such insight!

    Posted by: THE WELL TRAINED ROBOT aka SNOW Location: MN on Jun 14, 2008 at 08:54 AM
    never been married and don't have kids like i said before. i will marry whom ever i choose and whenever i want. oh and as for steak medium rare with a glass of milk bring it on. its my all time favorite and pizza oh yea but not 2 crunchy it ruins the taste. this robot really needs to get charged. maybe il even have a drink. imagine that me living my own life.

    Posted by: Ann Location: Peaceful, happy place on Jun 14, 2008 at 08:52 AM
    To "Dr. Sham Cohen"-(no one else, my beef is with you. Any of the brethren who reads this, please pass this on). "Dr" I allowed you to rob me of the joy of raising children, my education (I was in school in '75-you told me to quit. I chose to go back in '88-only asked b/c I had to), my relationship with my family, and the joy of living. I allowed it because somehow I thought that I had found G-d's perfect truth with you, and by leaving I would go to hell. You managed to do those things by emotional manipulation, and nothing else. There was no G-d speaking to/thru you--it's your own delusions of grandeur, and the power that has corrupted you absolutely. You had a charisma, and a strong intuition about people, and used all of it/us to your advantage. Robie saw thru you and left. You have lied repeatedly about your degrees-you told Yeshivat Rambam that you are a neurosurgeon! Who were those two "daughters" posing with you in that picture? The emperor has no clothes! FYI-I'm happy.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 14, 2008 at 08:45 AM
    Yes Brother. Right away Brother. Shove that pathetic waste of a human being into cold dark prison cell!

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 13, 2008 at 06:31 PM
    again SNOW doesnt have children. you shouldnt assume things it could get you in trouble

    Posted by: Sad Location: not impotant on Jun 13, 2008 at 05:22 PM
    Brother Rama taught us many good things which I for one still observe and believe are consistent with the gospel of the Lord Jesus. One of the teachings was that believers should avoid even the appearance of impropriety. He ought to apply this teaching any many others to himself. For many years he has lived with single women both in Shawano and on the East coast while his wife lives separately and alone. The Lord knows the what is really going on while the rest of us can only speculate. The strong appearance of impropriety is enough to condemn such froward behavior. Dr.Cohen(ne Rama Behera) claims to plan to bring this country into the 21st century technologically. I suggest he could start by logging on to this site and answering his critics rather than speaking by the mouths of well intentioned sycophants. A sycophant is a person whose only response is yes. As all past and present members know, the only appropriate response to this man is "yes brother", only God rates such loyalty

    Posted by: to ROBOT aka SNOW on Jun 13, 2008 at 04:48 PM
    Do you realize if you would just stop parroting Rama's rubbish you would be able to spend more time with your children? Do you realize you are choosing RAMA over your precious little children? Think about it.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 13, 2008 at 04:16 PM
    melting snow can do a lot of damage.

    Posted by: to devils crusader Location: who cares on Jun 13, 2008 at 03:09 PM
    hey Devil Crusader...I want pizza too, crunchy on the bottom -YES!. since they all work for free , we don't have to tip - do we? maybe they could pump the gas for us, make some fudge, ...what do you think??? How can we get some chumps to work for free for us??? Oh shoot! We don't have a racetrack. but You can sleep on my floor - there's carpet...you don't even have to stay in your car!!

    Posted by: E Location: still relaxing on Jun 13, 2008 at 02:54 PM
    If anyone dare support this group who is not a member, I suggest you take a step back and get both sides. For the current members, I understand you are angry and bitter. History has repeated itself again, just like the 70's and 80's. I remember that feeling, especially since I had family on both sides from the beginning. As most of us did. My dad got a gun, put it in his bible, and everyone instilled fear in us kids of the "world". I was willing to defend Rama with my life, against my own family. There is nothing anyone could have said to change my mind. This was the right way to live and believe. When we finally were in a position where there was no contact with Shawano or any bretheren, there was freedom to think about our lives. To realize we didn't want to live in that fear and anger anymore. Our hearts were no longer heavy. And living any kind of double life was difficult and made us feel like hypocrites. You may deny any of these reactions, but not the truth.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 13, 2008 at 02:48 PM
    The playing field is level...but it's ugly down below! It's a devil of handbook hi ho hi ho! Either you're the butcher or the lamb...but even so Everybody pays as they go! Just glad mine isn't going towards RAMA's compulsive obsessions! They go towards my own! DUH!

    Posted by: E Location: relaxing on Jun 13, 2008 at 02:44 PM
    When it comes to someone needing real help, we'll be there. Please don't make a joke out of it. There have been real people with real problems and sorrows that have left and have been happier for it. If this place is so great, why are people leaving? Even if leaving means not seeing your family anymore, having to go to court, etc... They are willing to go through pain to leave. It must be pretty bad for them to take this on.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 13, 2008 at 02:44 PM
    I will take one of those green steaks that RAMA kept out back to add flavor. Or how about some of that yummy fudge. I'm afraid to even ask what makes that "world famous"!

    Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: betyouwanttoknow on Jun 13, 2008 at 02:03 PM
    Is that pizza coming soon? I'm hungry! If you don't have time for that, I will take a steak (Medium-rare) and a tall glass of milk.

    Posted by: to Robot Snow on Jun 13, 2008 at 01:52 PM
    What do you need 10k for? The first thing we'd do is MAKE SURE its not going to RAMA. Do you have a plan for getting on your feet? Do you have a job?

    Posted by: WELL-TRAINED ROBOT aka SNOW on Jun 13, 2008 at 01:49 PM
    Did you decide when to get married and to whom? Was Rama looking out for your best interests when he suggested/encouraged you to marry a woman he knew had previously tried to leave the group multiple times? If Rama was a prophet/servent of God, wouldn't he have been able to determine that this woman you would marry would leave the group with your children? Shouldn't he have forewarned you not to marry her?

    Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: betyouwanttoknow on Jun 13, 2008 at 01:47 PM
    Sorry Snow, but that $10,000 you are asking for was all given to rama. If he has the money and he is the great person that you claim him to be, he should be willing to give it to you in a heartbeat. Snow ~ we are willing to do anything to help anyone of you! But come on...don't be rediculous. Who has that kind of money laying around. Really, why am I wasting my time even responding to this repulsive post. Obviously you have too much time while you are doing slave labor at one of ramas stations. Do something productive and bring me a pepperoni and sausage pizza. I like the bottom a little crunchy.

    Posted by: to JEN Location: 12:50 posting on Jun 13, 2008 at 01:36 PM
    Yes girl! right on... you may not like everything in the word...but ya can't cherry pick! well said!

    Posted by: THE WELL TRAINED ROBOT aka SNOW on Jun 13, 2008 at 12:57 PM
    ive had a change in heart and was wondering if i could get some help to get away. do you think anyone thats left could loan me about $10,000 to get back on my feet. you all said you'd be willing to help in any way. id really like to get 20 minutes of fame and i know you could all get together and help me out. LOL NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by: Jen on Jun 13, 2008 at 12:53 PM
    I am ashamed and appalled by your comment that someone should have commited suicide so there would be "ONE LESS NASTY MISERABLE PERSON IN THIS WORLD". What an un-Godly thing to say! The bible says that only GOD can judge us. We will each be held accountable in His eyes, no one else. I have seen nothing from any former member written below that has said they wish physical or mental harm to come to anyone in the group. God does not wish harm to any people!

    Posted by: Jen on Jun 13, 2008 at 12:50 PM
    It is my understanding that many in your group reject Christianity and the NT, taking the OT as the only gospel of GOD. As a child of God myself, I learned that you cannot pick and choose what portions of his word you want to follow. The NT was written by Jesus' disciples and therefore, also the word of God. You cannot cherry pick what you want to use. If you do you are not a true follower of God.

    Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: betyouwanttoknow on Jun 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM
    I'm quite sure that all of you are trying your hardest to figure out "just who is this person". Soon, oh so very soon you will know. Ok, on to what is true. Not a single ex-member wants any harm to come to any current member of this cult. Enough harm has been and is being done to each and everyone of you. For Snow to come out and say that someone should have committed suicide is completely wrong. Where are your morals? Snow, to you this may be a compliment, but please, in no way is it meant as a compliment. You are just like rama! Sorry, your not like rama on second thought. You truly are his puppet. Question for you snow...How does it feel to be full of hate because rama tells you that you should hate someone/somebody? Do you even know why you hate them? Or maybe its because you hate yourself! There is good reason for hating yourself. It's because your life is not yours. It is ramas'. One way not to hate yourself is to get our from under ramas control and live your own life.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 13, 2008 at 11:59 AM
    Let me ask you snow...what problem has anybody on here blamed "people" for? Being abused? Being controlled and manipulated? Having your family torn apart? These are all problems you and everyone else in this cult have suffered from and are currently suffering from! You are just to blind to see it! And nobody is blaming people for these problems...Just one man! RAMA. PROBLEMS CULT = RAMA Does that simple equation make sense enough? And remember he is just that a man. Not a prophet or GOD himself. And he will only live so long. So tell me what will you do when the only thing that can think for you is gone? Then what will you do? Till then I guess I will hate the only thing in this world worth hating! RAMA!

    Posted by: SNOW Location: MN on Jun 13, 2008 at 09:54 AM
    i dont have kids so i really dont have to get a grip for there sake. oh boy imagine that not near as smart as you thought. and yes you are still blaming other people for your probelms or you wouldnt be on this site. and no i dont hate. you are all the haters look at the stuff you write and say and think

    Posted by: Pilgrim Location: This Land on Jun 12, 2008 at 11:07 PM
    This has been an interesting thread, but I'm troubled by one of the posts. "I will reject christanity. Not only that I will teach my children to reject it. Thank you for making me realize just how much christians push the new testament, why? because they wrote it. There is nothing holy about it. The only truth in it is that G-d did once come as a man. Everything else is untrue. I will never read that book nor recommend it to anyone else." I would agree that (mostly) Jewish Christians did write the NT, just like religious Jewish men(Moses, Isaiah, David, etc.) wrote the OT. Both the OT&NT writers wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The fact that Jewsish men were the human authors of the OT doesn't negate the validity of the OT. So I don't see the logic of that statement or the apparent deduction from it that there is "nothing holy about it." What is of greatest concern to me is that this faulty logic may be used to deny an entire family the life-giving truth of the NT.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 12, 2008 at 06:58 PM
    Melting snow since day one. We are defensive... huh seems to me you are quite defensive over the truth spoken of your group and your leader. One day you will all see the light! Until then I will take my 15 minutes of fame. But if you keep posting it may just turn into 20 minutes. Thanks. I love the spotlight. HEY HEY LOOK AT ME! I'm RAMA FREE! Did you like that rhyme! I wrote it especially for you! What can I say the drugs make me so creative! WHOOO trippy man!

    Posted by: to Snow on Jun 12, 2008 at 06:37 PM
    wow, the hate you have, who's the miserable and nasty one here? For the sake of your children, get a grip, quick!

    Posted by: WELL TRAINED ROBOT aka SNOW Location: MN on Jun 12, 2008 at 06:29 PM
    this well trained robot must not have been trained very well. it does whatever it wants whenever it wants and thinks anything it wants whenever it wants. i bet the batteries are going dead. i better run to all of you and have them changed rite.

    Posted by: to Snow on Jun 12, 2008 at 06:25 PM
    READ before you respond...that person said he/she has never "blamed my problems on any family I stayed with as a child or anyone for that matter."

    Posted by: to sad on Jun 12, 2008 at 06:18 PM
    Well said.

    Posted by: SNOW Location: MN on Jun 12, 2008 at 06:13 PM
    so you are still blaming your problems on someone else. its quite funny how defensive you all get when the truth is actually written about you. as for suicide you shoulda done it ONE LESS NASTY MISERABLE PERSON IN THIS WORLD but than im brainwashed so im not sure i should be typing this. i better ask. 15 minutes of fame has really gotten to your heads. get over urselves. THE WELL TRAINED ROBOT HAS SPOKEN. LOL you all need to get real

    Posted by: Sad Location: Not important on Jun 12, 2008 at 05:59 PM
    This is my first posting. Since leaving the group the Lord Jesus has prospered and blessed my life. The best people I know are on both sides of the divide and it makes me sad to see that a man has taken that place which the Lord has appointed for Himself. "Dr." Cohen once traveled to Oral Roberts University and reportedly cried when he saw what Oral had traded for his first love (the Lord)namely wealth, notoriety and the respect of man. Dr Cohen has fallen to the same snare. In Baltimore Dr. Cohen, pretends to be a neurosurgeon who owns hospitals in Minneapolis and claims to be part of a wealthy Jewish family from India. Such blatant deception has no place in the Lord Jesus. He is not a doctor. 30 years ago Brother Rama forbade one of the Brethren from selling insurance to a beer distributor. We all remember! Now his businesses sell beer and host swinger parties. Shame on him. If any current members have the courage, please tell him he must repent just like the rest of us sinners.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 12, 2008 at 01:36 PM
    Selling a particular meat that you yourself do not eat is in no way similar to preaching about how unholy the world is yet allowing sex parties at your hotel. Come on now. That's the best defense that you have! And we all know for a fact that plenty of marriages were arranged. Yeah maybe a gun was not held to their heads in the courthouse...but they were brainwashed into doing whatever RAM-DOM said. That is the reason so many marriages end in divorce there...especially after members leave! Or how about the fact that I bet every marriage happened in a courthouse and was not proceeded with a honeymoon. Maybe because the couples didn't even know each other romantically yet!!!

    Posted by: TO: to Lane kid on Jun 12, 2008 at 12:27 PM
    What is the moral difference between owning a strip club and hosting a private sex party? Would you be ok with Rama owning a strip club?

    Posted by: To: to if you need help Location: we'll always be here on Jun 12, 2008 at 12:20 PM
    You should ask RF if he wanted to get married at age 19, ask G if he wanted to marry M, ask NL if she wanted to marry DR, ask A if she wanted to marry M, ask S if she wanted to marry D. No they were not "forced", "the Lord made known" aka "Rama decided" they shall be married and these people did so without question for fear of going to hell for disobedience!

    Posted by: anonymous Location: who the hell cares on Jun 12, 2008 at 11:20 AM
    forced marriages? arranged marriages...heavily encouraged marriages..whatever. People I know there have no clue how to have a 'normal' happy healthy marriage. It's all disfunctional...then after the divorces and children caught between screwed up parents...these people are left so hanicapped there is no hope for stability for the kids... let alone the parents. It's just too bad & DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY.

    Posted by: TO Lane kid Location: let's all heal and be happy on Jun 12, 2008 at 09:24 AM
    He doesn't own a strip club. Have you not heard of people selling certain products, in particular certain meat products, yet they themselves will never eat the food themselves? Isn't this a similar situation?

    Posted by: TO: If you need help Location: we'll always be here on Jun 12, 2008 at 12:00 on Jun 12, 2008 at 09:20 AM
    In response to your statement "What if he asks you to do something you don't want to do (i.e. marriage)?" No one has ever been forced to get married.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 12, 2008 at 07:15 AM
    Who robs the poor, slave drives his people and takes, takes, takes, takes, not an innocent child who was taken from family but RAM-DOM

    Posted by: Elina Location: not afraid either on Jun 12, 2008 at 12:44 AM
    "If you need help" is right! I for one do not want to look back on my life while on my death bed wondering if I made the right decisions. Or look back on a life of misery. I am so glad to never be in a place where my family is torn from me, never having to fight a spouse for my children, or be so devoted to someone that I give all to him. Some day I'm going to die and then what? "You only have one life to live." And I am living it with no regrets. Peace.

    Posted by: If you need help Location: we'll always be here on Jun 12, 2008 at 12:00 AM
    We will always be here in a heartbeat for those who want help getting out. It's important that you all know, especially those who are afraid of Rama (to speak the truth about him, or to leave his company). We know how hard it is to leave that fear behind, to take care of yourself first, to give up everything you know. But remember: You only have one life to live. We choose independence, happiness and freedom over misery, anxiety, and uncertainty. We felt a very great lack of stability-one weekend, you were "liked" and the next, you were worse than dung on a fly's back. What kind of life is that? And to work so, so, so hard spiritually and physically with nothing to show for it? It was so bad, we chose hell. Thankfully, it is not hell out here, as we found out rather quickly. We found friends, family, and a peace that we never knew before. I urge you to think about the next 20 years. How do you feel? What if he asks you to do something you don't want to do (i.e. marriage)?

    Posted by: Lane kid Location: no more pain or fear on Jun 11, 2008 at 11:08 PM
    Another question: I have met my family who didn't go to Brother's and they are wonderful. Why did he always say they were awful and mean when he had never met them? (On my mother's side). I have never seen them be "snakes" or "working for the devil", etc... There are so many inconsistencies; don't get me started. I am so angry I didn't grow up with them. I am even more angry that the "family" that I did grow up with is now thinking the same about me and we can't have good relationship like before I left. He never stops tearing everybody and everything apart. I am sick to my stomach.

    Posted by: Lane kid Location: let's all heal and be happy on Jun 11, 2008 at 11:00 PM
    Questions: If you are supposed to be chaste, fear and glorify the Lord, and generally live a good, clean life, how can you condone Brother owning a strip club and getting involved in the hotel sex stuff? Of many sins to commit, I would think this is one of the worst. And don't run away from the question, please, I would love an actual response. Perhaps it would help me feel more accepting of the beliefs. More to come.

    Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: betyouwantoknow on Jun 11, 2008 at 05:27 PM
    Wondering again about this strip club that we are going to ~ If I ride my bike to your place can we take your vehicle or should I bring my dodge? Just don't want any confusion. What size shoe do you wear? I have an extra pair of tennis shoes and even some jeans if you would like to borrow them. Later Ramdom The Devils Crusader

    Posted by: I csn't forget on Jun 11, 2008 at 05:21 PM
    To snow: Your rama rheoric is flawless!!! You are a well-trained robot!!!! You get a A and four stars for your perfect memorization!!!! NOW, HERE IS SOMETHING FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT. If rama had not made me scared to death to my parents, I would have left 23 years ago. The Brethren would not have had to feed, clothe, and give me a place to live. NOW, HERE IS THE ANSWER TO YOUR PROBLEM. COULD YOU PLEASE ASK rAMA TO: 1) Quit teaching the brethren to be scared of their evil Christian parents; 2) Quit teaching that the brethren will go to Hell if they fall away and go to the world; 3) Quit teaching that if you leave, no one will help you, and you will turn into a drug addict, a whore, or both. Then everyone could leave and be self-supporting, and rama will have the time to get a job and support HIM-self.

    Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: betyouwanttoknow on Jun 11, 2008 at 05:14 PM
    Rama ~ Sorry! Had a better idea. Why don't we meet at the Whitetail Lounge and Gentlemens Club for a nice show and a few beers. There is smoking in there correct? Oh, I really hope so! I could really use a good 'ole Marlboro right now. Possibly we could stop in at one of your stations and pick up an extra pack. Maybe that weekend there will be some fun at your hotel also!?! Hey dude, think you could get me in for free? I'm ready to have some fun!!! Hey, if we are on for the strip club I have a suggestion for you. Where something else than the blue coveralls. My chances of getting a lap dance with you wearing black mud boots and blue coveralls really brings down my chances of getting a lap dance. And just so you think that I'm only thinking about myself, your attire will really bring down your chances of getting a lap dance as well. See Rama, I'm thinking about you too. With all this stuff going on, you could really use a good time. Pssst ~ Bring there money

    Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: betyouwanttoknow on Jun 11, 2008 at 04:59 PM
    It's quit amusing reading all of these posts. It's so funny that I just may go play a game of horseshoes. First I'm going to have a cigarette, maybe some chocolate or possible even a soda. I'm not sure! Maybe a game of tennis. Naw, tennis was invented before fun because it's not fun. Third thought, I'm just going to sit in and watch some TV. Rama will be so proud. Rama, I'm inviting you over to watch "Sex in the City" on my 118" tv. There is a marathon on Thursday. It's suppose to rain anyway. It will be a good day to watch TV. I will even take your boots for you, wash them, get them all shiny and THROW THEM OUT IN THE RAIN. Thank you, The Devils Crusader

    Posted by: To Snow Location: MN on Jun 11, 2008 at 03:27 PM
    Rama took my own family from me only to dump me on another already-bursting at the seams family. They didn't take me in because they are such charitable people. They took me in because Rama directed them to! Meanwhile, I was so miserable I was suicidal for much of my stay in these homes. So, Snow, YOU are the one who needs to get real, get your facts straight, ask questions, and accept the truth (even when it hurts and undermines everything you've been raised in this cult to believe). Believe me, I am real. I do not lie. I stopped lying when I left Rama's fold. It is an enormous burden lifted from my shoulders!

    Posted by: To Snow Location: MN on Jun 11, 2008 at 03:23 PM
    Snow, were you one of those "leaches" as you call them? Well, I dispute the term "leach," but am one of those who, BECAUSE OF RAMA, had to live with another family in the group (I assume these are the "leaches" you're referring to). So why don't you ask ME the FACTS? Well, I'll give them to you even though I know you'll never ask. I was an innocent child at the time. It was not my choice nor the result of my actions that I go stay with another family in the cult. AND NO (absolutely not!) was I EVER treated better than anyone's one child/ren!! In fact, I was treated MUCH worse. AND I had to say thank you at least several times daily. I have never spit in anyone's face or blamed my problems on any family I stayed with as a child or anyone for that matter. I will say that I now feel sorry for the families who had to take additional kids in when they already had large families of their own - who directed that this happen? Not me!!!!!! But RAMA! [continued]

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 11, 2008 at 02:58 PM
    If they aren't such bad people (current members)...why would they treat somebody else's children better than their own. That sounds a little backwards to me. As far as former members jumping down people's throats. I believe that is backwards too. I mean current members are supposedly so humble yet they attack a woman for expressing her opinions/emotions about her boyfriend/ex who has left her to go back to this group. I believe most current members have mainly spoken of the crap that Rama has put them through...then have been attacked my Rama's monkeys for speaking their truths. Then they feel necessary to retaliate in words to the childish things spoken of them. Seems only natural to me. Maybe you current members should just zip it because you can only put so many feet in your mouth at once!

    Posted by: snow Location: MN on Jun 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM
    its quite funny how the people who left are so quick to jump down someone elses back back this and that and make things sound so outragous. If I remember rite there are certain ones of you who leached off the other "Brethen". They fed you clothed you and gave you a place to live. Many of them treated you better than there own kids. If there morals were so low and they are such bad people I wonder how this could be. Have any of you ever said thank you. NO NO NO. In fact you have turned around and spit in their face for taking care of you and now you want to blame your problems on someone else. All I can say is get real people.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 11, 2008 at 12:08 PM
    Praise Allah!

    Posted by: SRR Location: MN on Jun 11, 2008 at 11:59 AM
    You are right, Kal or whoever. I am not tolerant of other religions. Because the Lord Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life -- no one comes to the Father but by Me." The apostles said that "there is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved." That's pretty intolerant. Sorry about those of you who think Judaism can save you. It's the Talmud that is the book of lies. It has some truth, but a lot of error. What does it say about the Lord Jesus? True Judaism is based on the TANACH, not the Talmud, which modern, rabbinic Judiasm is based on. Read Isaiah 52 and 53 -- It talks about the Lord Jesus and how He would come to die as a sacrifice for our sins. Jeremiah told about a coming time when the Lord would be our righteousness. That is true Judaism, and it blends right into the Christianity revealed in the New Testament. Why would the Lord give a partial revelation of His plan of salvation (OT) and not a complete one (OT NT)? Think!

    Posted by: SRR Location: MN on Jun 11, 2008 at 11:31 AM
    I'd like to know more about this Samata Roy Institute of Science and Technology that some of my children and others are giving their free labor for to finance. When is it going to accept applications for admission? Is it really going to bring the USA into the 21st century in terms of science? What happened to MIT? Did the Orissa branch of SIST bring India into the 21st century? Is SIST affiliated with the Sam Houston Institute of Technology? What ever happened to the International Boarding school that we heard so much about? This whole scenario is sooooo ludicrous, but none of you slaves can see it! Do you know that funds are being diverted into a house of fountains, mirrors, and marble floors for Rama in Baltimore? Oh sure, it's a lie, you will say. You make truth into lies and lies into truth. It's all the fruit of a plan conceived in the bowels of Hell. Please wake up and GET OUT!

    Posted by: to june 10 5:24 post on Jun 11, 2008 at 10:41 AM
    hey...don't fool yourself ..I am NO Jezebel. That precious man is the boss...i am not in control...heck no - he calls all the shots & i am content to obey. He is no poor soul stalked by a freak -geeezzz! listen- everyone here is serious as heart attacks about G-d, Christ, redemption, walking holy...whats right whats wrong. I know that TRUTH is a line that ebbs & flows between the 2 sides. That's all I got ... i've been asked to get off this - so I must. 1 last sneak of an opinion! I hope peace is found by all.

    Posted by: A thought on Jun 11, 2008 at 07:23 AM
    What did Jesus do when he was on earth as a man? Did he only wander deserts? Was he a shepherd? Was he a carpenter? Was he a rabbi? Was he a teacher? Did he have a following and have teachings and impart words of wisdom? Did he die on the cross for our sins, shed his blood, rise from the dead, ascend to heaven and live forever? This is what the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, major parts of the New Testament discuss. Are you going to say you don't believe it? That Jesus had teachings that man should follow and that he shed his blood for our sins? If you don't believe it do you still sing songs that are worshipful of Jesus like, "under thy blood Lord Jesus, keep us under thy blood"? Why do you sing these songs if you don't believe in the New Testament?

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 10, 2008 at 11:52 PM
    If the brethren who joined in the 70's would have known that their children would learn to say about the Bible that "There is nothing holy about it. I will never read that book nor recommend it to anyone else." they would have been horrified and walked out of Rama's door on the first day. Rama preached the New Testament in the beginning and thats what attracted a lot of people, now he teaches against it.

    Posted by: SRR on Jun 10, 2008 at 10:10 PM
    How can I criticize you, Kalmar, when I'm the one responsible for drawing you into the control of Mr Cohen? I'm sincerely sorry and ask forgiveness from you, your family, and all those who followed you in. But tell me, do you really believe that Lorna Marquardt will believe that you are "very tolerant and kind?" And do you (or whoever wrote it) expect us to believe that you have a wide circle of friends and relatives that you go to for counsel? If I ever write a book about my cult experence, I think I will entitle it, "Have You Asked Brother?" That question was put to me countless times. No other counselors were ever suggested or considered. The last words my wife spoke before she turned around and walked away from me five years ago, were, "You need to talk to Brother." I remember when you quoted the Bible, Kal. I remember when I found you on a steet corner at ISU talking to everyone that passed by about their eternal destiny. I wish you were back to that place, Kal.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 10, 2008 at 08:31 PM
    To: To sad girlfriend. So you can tell from a broken-hearted womans brief writings on this blog that she does not love or know her man and that she is "one of the bad ones". She most obviously did not know him that well probably due to the fact he was so deceptive about himself. And if you can tell all of this about this woman from her postings maybe you should take rama's place and pass a bucket around for tithing...because you must be a prophet. all hail the wise and judgemental rantings of a humble cult member who justs wants to be left alone...yet keeps coming on to this blog and posting things to keep the whole thing going. you guys are just digging the grave for rama. it is quite funny...because you are all knowing because rama hath given you vision of the world. i wish i could be so informed...DOWN with RAMA!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 10, 2008 at 08:19 PM
    To: To The Devil. Assumptions are awesome. You assume you know who I am. Then you say my family doesn't even like me. You don't even know my family or me. Then you say that a few aren't even in a cult. So does that mean that a few are in a cult. And I thought that it wasn't a "cult". Now you're calling it one! If my mother did in fact "dump" her children they would have been better off in a boys/girls home. That way they wouldn't be completely brainwashed! Then you say my mother was suckering men into marrying her and taking their money. Where are your facts on that one. I've known my mother a long time and ehhh wrong! So now I am grown up and suckering men into marrying me and taking their money. That's weird because I don't recall ever being married. Must have been asleep for that one. Maybe I worked a 24 hour shift for Rama for free and was so exhausted that I passed out and some man up and married me...WOW!

    Posted by: to anonymous on Jun 10, 2008 at 06:57 PM
    You said you did not believe in the New Testament and that "The only truth in it is that G-d did once come as a man." If you do not believe in the Bible how do you know that God came as a man? Did Rama tell you and that's the only reason you believe it?

    Posted by: To sad girlfriend on Jun 10, 2008 at 05:24 PM
    Hopefully, the poor boyfriend has gotten out of your trap. You didn't know, nor love him. He is normal, you are the frickin freak. Don't try the poor, sad, crying girlfriend thing on me. He has morals and knows right and wrong, you don't even have a clue. He isn't an angel, but then nobody is. I have been in this world long enough to know just how evil some women can be and from your writing, you are one of the bad ones. You probably have somebody else anyway and are definately not good enough for him.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 10, 2008 at 05:15 PM
    It is one thing to be able to quote the bible, which the two bible thumpers are very good at, and it is yet another to be able to truly know, not quote, the scriptures, and truly understand what the meaning of it is, something the two bible thumpers can't do. He is way above being jealous, mad, envious, or whatever you want to call it. If you remember, we are not pushing our religion on you, it is SRR who is pushing your garbage religion on us. He even says so in his comments. Don't talk to us about being tolerant, we are very tolerant and kind. The christians have persecuted all other religions for hundreds of years. Maybe you should study the history of your ancestors and learn how not to be like them, learn to "be kind,just be a little tolerant of other people's beliefs." After all "you would like people to be open and tolerant of your faith wouldn't you?"

    Posted by: To Devil on Jun 10, 2008 at 04:58 PM
    You want to talk about family? How is it the family you have doesn't really like you, a few even avoid you, and they aren't in a cult. Could it be they can't deal with all of your lies? All of you know the truth about your family, your mom literally dumping your brothers and sisters and other families taking them in so they wouldn't end up in boys' homes etc. They were all well fed, healthy, and educated. They were never locked up, physically or mentally, and neither was your mom. Where did she go? Why didn't she come back for them? She was to busy suckering men into marrying her and taking their money. Now you are all grown up and doing the same thing your mom did, devestating families. Once again, other families have stepped in to help out and a child will grow up learning the meaning of loyalty,honesty,faithfulness and above all have a real family. Like I said, you can deny it, tell stories, but inside you, your mom and the entire family know the real truth.

    Posted by: To no longer a believer on Jun 10, 2008 at 04:35 PM
    Many of us were not to young to remember, nor in denial. I was old enough and am definately not a beleiver in you or your boyfriend. How interesting to bible quoting things, can't be human, are creating the most unforgivable sin yet sit there and say how bad the world is and tell people how to be saved. It is truly obvious how your selective memory is showing. As for Hannah being a suck up weekend warrior, at least she has something going for her in life, can't say that much for you.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 10, 2008 at 04:25 PM
    To SRR I will reject christanity. Not only that I will teach my children to reject it. Thank you your making me realize just how much christians push the new testament, why? because they wrote it. There is nothing holy about it. The only truth in it is that G-d did once come as a man. Everything else is untrue. I will never read that book nor recommend it to anyone else.

    Posted by: To SG on Jun 9, 2008 at 05:43 PM
    Did you see the hotspot at the bottom of the home page?

    Posted by: sad girlfriend Location: MN on Jun 9, 2008 at 10:32 AM
    www.mysteryofgod.net?????? I am not befuddled by my creator... i AM befuddled by this place/ control/freakish behavior of the one I know & love... what goes on? Why can't it just be frikin normal. BUT PS- mysteryofgod.net - great site !

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 8, 2008 at 04:39 PM
    I LOVE PEAS! They Rule!

    Posted by: to eat your peas on Jun 4, 2008 at 05:24 PM
    Say what you want but SSR knew and knows the bible much better than rama ever did. That's why rama couldn't stand him. So you don't agree with SRR's take on the Bible or religion, that's fine, just be a little tolerant of other people's beliefs. Be kind. You would like people to be open and tolerant of your faith wouldn't you?

    Posted by: eat your pea's louise Location: bowl of pea's on Jun 4, 2008 at 01:50 PM
    praise the lord SSR.. i just might go to heaven after all. (ding) elevator going up! *rolls my eyes*

    Posted by: To Sad Girlfriend on Jun 4, 2008 at 06:00 AM
    Please visit www.mysteryofGod.net

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 3, 2008 at 09:27 PM
    Telling time is hard when it rewinds Painting circles around your crimes No traces, no picture No sacred glowing scriptures So control your chaos Relax and you can save us Your throne of unjust A dirty sole of mistrust It pushes down, forces us down So it's fine if you can't define All the reasons for losing your mind But if I could turn back time I'd walk and pretend it's a lie No faces, no voices No falling concrete takers No control, all chaos A severed screaming circus The time, the pain Forced us to run away You're the birthplace of disease Ending all, ending me Forever wrapped in chains What if it all cam crashing down all around you How will you save yourself If you need one more fix to let it lift Just stop and think, because it's all over

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 3, 2008 at 09:17 PM
    To all of those in the group...you know Rama has all of you in purgatory! He definitely stole that concept from the catholic religion you so bad-mouth!

    Posted by: a sad girlfriend Location: to:no longer a believer on Jun 3, 2008 at 02:12 PM
    hi "no longer a believer" i posted a comment on one of the other pages...you have a lot of answers i wish i could hear...i'd do anything to meet ya & talk. the things you said on June 1 - i think you knew my boyfriend. You described the insanity to a "t" Gosh ...i am so frikin befuddled by all this ....:-( a sad (ex) girlfriend

    Posted by: SRR on Jun 3, 2008 at 10:37 AM
    (Orissa, continued) So, you followers of Rama, please don't reject Christianity as Rama has taught you. Don't reject the New Testament as "the book of Greek and Roman lies." It is your only hope of learning the truth. Rama tells you not to read it because he knows it would expose his false teaching. It's the same argument the Muslims use -- "It has been corrupted and is not reliable." they say. I plead with you, especially my dear children: PLEASE READ THE NEW TESTAMENT!

    Posted by: SRR on Jun 3, 2008 at 10:34 AM
    (Orissa, continued) Rama is just carrying on the tradition of his forefathers. View the Part Four video that WSAW produced to hear his violent rhetoric against Christianity. One problem is that the former Hindu was unable to distinguish between true Christianity and the Western culture / counterfeit Christianity / nominal Christianity / backslidden Christianity. He threw out the baby with the bath water. Why are there no counterfeit three dollar bills? Because number 1, they would have no value, and number 2, there are no real ones. There are counterfeit 100s because they have value and there are real ones. Likewise, because there are counterfeit Christians because there are real ones and they have value and are a threat to the enemy, Satan. They are likened to tares sown among wheat. The Lord said that they would grow together, and at the end of the age, the angels will sort them out.

    Posted by: SRR on Jun 3, 2008 at 10:33 AM
    (Orissa, continued) Read the whole article about Orissa attacks on Christians here: http://www.charismamag.com/display.php?id=16723 Here are a couple more links to articles about persecution of Christians in Orissa: http://www.charismamag.com/display.php?id=9602 http://www.charismamag.com/display.php?id=8688

    Posted by: SRR on Jun 3, 2008 at 10:31 AM
    Rama told us he was from a village in Orissa, India. That explains a lot about his attitude toward Christianity. He told me more than once, "Steve, despise Christianity!" There have been many reports of attacks against Christians in Orissa. Here is a portion of a report from a recent issue of Charisma magazine : "Christians in India fear further violence following Christmas Eve attacks that left 95 churches destroyed, 700 homes burned and at least four people dead. "The attacks began in the Kandhamal district of India's Orissa state the morning before Christmas and continued for several days... "Eyewitnesses said a mob of about 2,000 people armed with swords, axes and other weapons attacked Christians in the town of Barakhama, shouting: "Hail, Lord Ram! Kill the Christians! Destroy the churches!" The mob demolished a Pentecostal church and burned at least 415 of the 450 homes belonging to Christians."

    Posted by: Believes nothing on Jun 3, 2008 at 10:16 AM
    Does this cult have any followers from the so called leader's ethnicity living in this country or in Shawano? Just curious because if there are none then i would wonder.....

    Posted by: No longer a believer on Jun 1, 2008 at 08:24 PM
    Yet more.. Millie- Obviously not your real name. Too normal. With your husband's alleged abuse, Obviously he was attracted to another broken soul. weak people stay weak, or grow strong and break free. You need to go along with the distortion of your memories, we bear the scars that are badges of courage to grow stong for the survivors. We wear our scars, not in shame, but to show that we have overcome, proved to not be what we were prophesised to be by leaving, and have become NORMAL. WITH NORMAL CHILDREN, THOUGHTS, LIVES. Whatever Zillah has done,so be it. She can air her dirty laundry, or yours, if need be for her. Remember freedom of speech? As for your sisters, are they also part of Rama's harem? Are you? Or did you leave, but still can't really break ties, living your double, separate life, which is ok if you still tithe? If I tithed, would I not be condemned anymore? (yes, you can buy redemption, Rama got the idea from Cathoic purgatory, that's what the studies were for, IDEAS

    Posted by: No longer a believer on Jun 1, 2008 at 08:14 PM
    More again.. Hannah- you must be too young for truth, or in denial. Kids went to military to escape the group. As for the guns and ammo, ask Kal, he was the gun dealer. That Billy kid did time for illeagal gun possession I think, all guns that Kal got him as a kid. I guess you don't remember rama's own kis walking around armed, do you.. an AR-15 no less. ANd yes, Uzi's were also popular, but I guess you were probably running to hold paper towels as aweekender and never saw what really went on LOL- As a Big BOy, werew you one of the ones that molested your younger sisters? Maybe you were the one who kidnapped your wife and forced her to go back when she tried leaving? Probably another one with a law degree who figures he is ABOVE THE LAW.As for not seeing the guns, you were not a Big Boy, or you would remember R, Billy, etc having them, Even if you were just a weekend warrior suck up that lived "separate lives" during the week. Back then there was truth to that sermon, hence you

    Posted by: No longer a believer on Jun 1, 2008 at 07:45 PM
    More replies... Shawano, sometimes- you only shop at stores "approved" Pick n Save, Shell Gas, certain car dealers and more all "cursed", remember, or are you too young to remember? Maybe it's selective amnesia. At least I now have a place to shop safely without running into uyou people! Right to know- You are a therapist's dream!Not that you'll ever be able to see one. Thank a higher being (God) for the courage and fortitude to better yourselfeducation wise, etc, not a MAN. A TRUE SERVANT OF THE LORD DOES NOT NEED NOR TAKE CREDIT. ALL THE GLORY IS GIVEN TO GOD. yet you give the glory to man..AND HE ACCEPTS IT! WHAT HAPPENED TO UNDERSTANDING? FAITH? SAVING SOULS, NOT MAKING MONEY? WITNESSING AND PRAYING FOR THE SALVATION OF OTHERS INSTEAD OF CONDEMNING THEM, JUDGING THEM, CONTRIBUTING TO THEIR SIN? Oh, that's right, you are now no better than the Catholics we were taught were such sinners. For you have all become a BUSINESS, FOR THE GLORY OF MAKING MONEY TO HAND TO YOUR POPE!

    Posted by: No longer a believer on Jun 1, 2008 at 06:38 PM
    Ok, here's some replies for all your comments.. For what it's worth-Right on! Minnesota-about the name changes, maybe they don't need to change theirs, because they have nothing to hide (from)..how many changes are necessary? Rama, Samanta, Now Cohen.. I'd like to know what he is a DR. of.. or did he steal the title from his daughter? And what idiot believes sge died from exposure to radiation that caused cancer in her? To you believers, wouldnt a servant of God have his daughter spared for his righteousness? I bet it was compared to Abraham, but Isaac did't die. One more thing.. Physician, heal thyself.. why didn't Rama perform a miracle healing on his daughter? Secure in chioce-Free will? if you knew what it was, you'd have a world of possibilities.We were not raised to believe in free will. You must be one of the newer ones that eats junk food, drinks pop, and alcohol,has sex before marriage, and TITHES your redemption.

    Posted by: FREE TO BE Location: Hope for GOd's mercy on you believer's on Jun 1, 2008 at 05:15 PM
    Do you know the difference between Grace and Mercy? Grace is when we are given that which we don't deseve... Mercy is when we are not given what we do deserve... Whatever higher power you believe in, may you be redeemed some day from your denial, blindness, and find Truth. Rama, Samanta Roy, Dr. Cohen... funny how the name and the story changes to hide the shhep in wolves' clothing. You klike to hide behind the Bible. Let's go with a few Truths that the ones from the early 70's will remember learning... Though shalt have no other gods before me (not even ones posing as a servant) Honor thy mother and father (families first...not divide and conquer for your own prsonal gain) Vengance is mine... and let he who is among us without sin cast the first stone (not your going to hell if you eat, drink, believe this or that.. and now YOU SELL THE THINGS THAT WOULD CAUSE THE ORIGINAL FOLLOWERS TO GO TO HELL..ISNT THAT CONTRIBUTING TO THE SINS OF THE INNOCENTS?CIGARETTES, ALCOHOL,CANDY

    Posted by: Affected Friend Location: Wi on May 30, 2008 at 12:30 PM
    Attn: Addition to L Location: Shawano on May 26. Aside from the fact that you are defending Hitler, I am glad to see that you have no counter against my other arguments. Your lack of knowledge when talking about history only exhibits the shroud Rama has put before you. If Hitler did not delude Germany through his charismatic speeches and blinding dogma, why did the slaughter of the Jewish People not happen elsewhere? The eugenic fervor never expanded very far anywhere except for Hitler's Germany. However, in order to entertain your claims, I will rescind my previous comparison of Rama to Hitler, only to make the comparison of Rama to Stalin, the only man in the 20th century to have more deaths attributed to him than Hitler. Surely there is no likeness between Stalin and Rama, the control freak who seeks to silence all opposition through both "legal" means,abuse, and hearsay. Stalin "never" tried to smear his opponents through his lackeys.

    Posted by: Guess Who on May 29, 2008 at 08:17 PM
    To millie, your pretty sure or are you positive that no abuse happened. Because I'm positive it did. I myself was whipped with a wire whip so bad I couldn't lay on my back for days. And maybe you should have gotten a education instead of working for rama for nothing. Your spelling sure could use a little help. As far as your husband that didn't grow up in the group he must be very blind not to recognize an abused person. Do you not remember rama crashing through the children during meetings to discipline a child for a minor infraction? Such as moving, to give your ankles or knees a rest, or falling asleep?? I think you are messed up if you don't remember those things. Hope your children grow up safe and don't resent you for bringing them up in this atmosphere.

    Posted by: not fooled Location: shawano on May 29, 2008 at 07:04 PM
    How does the rama clan think they are fooling us with the "new" realtor signs in their empty storefronts? The Allen Eisenberg real estate company? You got to be kidding!!This is as much a joke as everything they have ever done.Like they think we are going to believe they are really interested in marketing the empty properties.We know they would rather hold onto their empty buildings and not have the money to pay their real estate taxes as they always do every year.

    Posted by: millie Location: des moines on May 29, 2008 at 04:17 PM
    everyone needs to get a life. I was born in the group and had the best childhood a person could have. If I was abused I guess I was asleep when it happen, because I don't remember it happen. In fact I'm pretty sure it never happened. When I read Ziliah's letter I was amazed at what her mind can dream up. From what my sisters said about her and her mom I can understand why she came up with all this stuff. She needed to escape the abuse her inflicted on her. Also, if all the children were being abused then I must really messed up. Fun how my husband (who is not in the group) thinks I'm the most down to earth person he has every met. My husband was emotionally abused by his acoholic mother and stepfather. I'm sure he would reconize abuse when he met me. What do you have say about that?

    Posted by: To Gail on May 29, 2008 at 01:44 PM
    I remember head lice, but I sure never saw them rippling anybody's hair, and I never heard everybody rebuked for it - I would have been old enough to remember as I was nine then. What I know for a fact did happen was we were all treated for it - with special shampoo, etc. and with treatment and time they were all gone - Imagine that. It wasn't a plague - that's what happens - one family got it and because everybody sat so close together for meetings back then, it spread - that's why when I was in elementary school they used to check all students each year for lice - one student with lice unchecked would have infested the whole class! Everybody needs to get real here and stop making mountains out of every molehill!

    Posted by: Digging Holes Location: In a Hole Still on May 28, 2008 at 10:46 PM
    All you stuck on bring up digging holes are you that scarred that there is nothing more significant about you that you can brag about? So you had to dig a hole physically...Now you are digging a hole emotionally for yourself and your kids. You were also made to study and be productive is that not news or comment worthy? Quit talking about holes already and eat a donut hole.

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 28, 2008 at 09:16 PM
    I remember the plague of head lice. We were rebuked and told that this scourge had come upon us because we'd fallen far from the Lord and turned away from His ways. The children and many adults got head lice. The infestations became so awful that you could sit behind a child and the crawling and scurrying of the lice made it seem their hair and scalps were rippling with motion. Rama would not allow treatment. We were to go all the way through this torment, and pray for the Lord to lift His hand and remove the lice. It was torture. I remember one of the boys dowsed his head with kerosene and lit it in desperation, to get rid of them.

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 28, 2008 at 09:07 PM
    To Chase, again: Rama misdirected you for this post you made: "From the time she was a very young girl she was very good at causing tears to come when needed for her desires..." It was my second daughter about whom he said that all the time.

    Posted by: red rebel Location: shawano on May 28, 2008 at 09:05 PM
    One last thing i have to say there is a silver lineing to this Rama subject.Rama Behera is about mid 60's early 70's and as a mortal man some day he will pass away it may be 10to20 years down the road but it's going to happen usualy when the cult leader passes away so does the cult and then all his followers will then have to get a real life and when that day comes i wish his followers all the luck in the world so while your sitting at your compound,complex,strong hold ect..damming me to Hell just to let you know that while im frying i will take that opertunity to walk up to that POT BELLY LITTLE DEVIL you call a leader and give him a noogie....

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 27, 2008 at 08:53 PM
    Nobody is insulting you right to the LORD or your so called religion...just the giant turd standing up pretending to actually be a man of god...while he rapes you blind! you can have 4 masters degrees and have the highest IQ but what you lack is a little of the old common sense! we lie because we speak the truth! open mind your mind...today is the day of your life...not in the future where you may or may not have an after-life.

    Posted by: Kim Location: Green Bay on May 27, 2008 at 08:20 PM
    lock him up along with his old ladies that bring him to the airport in green bay

    Posted by: concerned on May 27, 2008 at 07:43 PM
    I am amazed at how vehemently the active members are defending Rama and themselves. How does the saying go, "me thinks thou dost protest too much?" To an outsider, the alleged abuse is obvious. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that something is not right--there's no reason for this group to be secretive or defensive if they have nothing to hide. The children are innocent, and are entitled to a life free of abuse. From the comments posted here, I can assume that Rama taught (forced) his followers to inflict abuse on their children. By doing so, he was able to assure that they would never report it for fear of losing their children or legal retribution. This is evil in its purist form. He is a sociopath. I applaud Gail and Zela for having the courage to stand and face this evil and stop its spread. Even if he is never legally stopped, your courage is inspiring. It matters.

    Posted by: red rebel Location: shawano on May 27, 2008 at 07:38 PM
    atten:L i never said anything about "rationed food" so while your sitting at the Rama compound oh yes i know your a Rama i never said anything about judgement day i said you cant lie to god no matter how much you lie claim that your god or put your followers into slavery and as far as sexual abuse claims or abuse claims made agenst Rama and hims followers i think if there can be no statchute of limitation agenst a catholic priest there should be none for Rama,samanta,or what ever he's calling himself today

    Posted by: response to addition to L on May 27, 2008 at 04:44 PM
    just because allegations are 10 to 20 yrs ago does not mean these things did not happen. I hear all the time about how parents get in trouble with the law when found out about abuse even when their kids are in their 30s. So come on... stop with your lies. You just seem to have forgotten about them or thats right your and angel of GOD and you have done NO wrong.. phew smells like a skunk

    Posted by: to chase Location: here on May 27, 2008 at 07:26 AM
    The only reason you are shocked is because someone is calling Rama out on the horrible things he's done. I dug a hole as an adult between the house and the annex that was as deep as I was tall and there was very little water in it when I was done. If it sat overnight or if it rained there might have been more water in it. So Zillah would not have drowned and I believe her story. Rama told people that it was the water table but it was really the fact that it was very clay soil and water didn't drain well at all.

    Posted by: Addition to L Location: Shawano on May 26, 2008 at 09:04 PM
    Attn:red rebel Location: shawano on May 24, 2008 at 07:28 AM: What evidence? The false allegations flying around? Get real! Texas is already going to be paying millions, what makes you think anybody in WI is that stupid! Reality...There is no "compound". Look up the definition. There is no abuse! Lots of alleged, but no proof. Rationed food? Looking at the size of most of the people there, if it is "rationed", it sure doesn't show. Bunkers? Tunnels? Yeah.....right. Where to? Fact is..many of the town members including building inspectors have been there to check it out. Contrary to public opinion and speculation, there are none. Wake up "red rebel", forget all your "judgment day" b-s, and do something better with your time.

    Posted by: Addition to L Location: Shawano on May 26, 2008 at 08:24 PM
    Attn:Mike Location: Shawano on May 23, 2008 at 12:07 PM: Reason? When there is no abuse, it's kind of hard to investigate it. Please bear in mind that the accusers are trying to allege something that happened 10?-20? years ago. That is why there has been no investigation. LOL

    Posted by: Guess Who on May 26, 2008 at 08:16 PM
    I wonder with the up coming elections if you will all be told who to vote for again.. Here is your chance to get another Clinton in office. We had to do it before. Or did you all forget that you were told to vote for Clinton???

    Posted by: Addition to L Location: Shawano on May 26, 2008 at 07:19 PM
    Attn:Affected Friend Location: WI on May 23, 2008 at 09:17 PM:Read through history. Hitler was not responsible for the persecution and death of all of those people. He only did what Christianity has done to many people for generations, especially the Jews. He just happened to be a scapegoat for everyone to blame; that does not make him responsible. The intolerant Christian culture of the time made it happen, he just happened to be the spokesman with a plan to action. This seems to be the situation here also. You have a group of people who are a little different, they don't go to a "Christian" church, follow common "Christian" upbringing, etc., nor do they personally associate with the others in the area too much, so now they are beat on and kicked down, and when they stick up for themselves, they are found guilty of trumped up charges. G*D bless America, Land of Intolerant Christianity, Home of Brutality and Legalized? Genocide.

    Posted by: Cult Location: Member on May 26, 2008 at 06:26 PM
    Cult for hire

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 26, 2008 at 02:24 PM
    RAMA C is a very good formula...I think it was in my algebra book

    Posted by: Anonymous on May 26, 2008 at 01:26 PM
    People who follow the moron are truelly lost and incapable of thinking for themselves, that being said you get what you deserve.

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 26, 2008 at 09:37 AM
    Hi Chase... in San Diego? I helped dig those holes. Another painful irony. Maybe you have forgotten the lay of the land. Certainly you would remember the path to the bathroom, though. Just to the left before you get to the borders of the Vs' properties was the garden where Thor planted the fruit trees. Those trees were set into holes Rama directed to be dug. They were deep enough so that the heads of the people digging them could not be seen until you approached close enough to look down into them. Now do you remember? They were dug that deep because, if a little manure is good, a lot must be better, and there was a lot of manure. As for water tables, I don't know if she's aware. Are you aware of the amount of excavating, earth moving and filling that went on? Your mention of drowning reminds me of something else too, though. Down at the pond... Rama threw small children in over the edge for entertainment. You're good with depths... how deep you would say that water was?

    Posted by: Issachar Location: Not scared on May 26, 2008 at 05:29 AM
    On another note I dont change my name because changing my name wont change my experiences. Instead I take it as a reminder of the life that I once lived and to not take the freedom that I have gained for granted. The fear and the pain I once felt as a child I can not erase. But I can and have grown from it. I won't try and change what you think of Rama, or Avraham Cohen as he is now. Instead I wish you luck and hope that your children are much happier then I was.

    Posted by: Issachar Location: Not afraid on May 26, 2008 at 05:12 AM
    I like that comment on the bottom of the page about no ex-members serving our country. I've been in the Navy for 4 years and am coming up on another 4, I have a wonderful life.... now. After my family left the cult and I finally felt comfortable actually having friends, wearing shorts (and omg it took me years to finally wear shorts comfortably. I was ashamed of my body for years). Much of my memories from childhood involve constantly being scared. I remember accidentally hitting my head on some rebar and rama coming out and walking by, with me bloody and gashed and so terrified of being hit or worse because I was playing, instead get laughed at by rama and the 5 or 6 succuphants following him. Not my worst memory but the one that I share the easiest. I had it light I got away with a lot because I was to paranoid to get caught. Others had it worse. I remember hearing stories that still chill me to this day. And I do not envy those other children who were Rama's so call favorites...

    Posted by: Chase Location: San Diego on May 25, 2008 at 10:55 PM
    Oh my word! I just read Zillah's document and shock does not even describe how I feel! First, I am much older than Zillah and a child who was raised with her. From the time she was a very young girl she was very good at causing tears to come when needed for her desires and she was good at lying to get what she wanted. I see that hasn't changed one bit. Now she is an adult who still uses these tactics to gain whatever it is she is seeking. Second point, put in a hole in the ground? Is she aware how high the water table is in Shawano? She would have drowned! Ugh...what a waste of my time. I am absolutely shocked at the ends to which some humans beings go to inflict pain and suffering to other human beings. Mr Cohen, in my MANY years in the group (I am no longer in contact with anyone from there), was very loving, giving and was never violent!

    Posted by: For You Location: RAMA on May 25, 2008 at 10:32 PM
    I remember a particular child getting his head crushed between two steel I-Beams when he was 8 or 9 back in the early 90's. All because Rama wanted them moved...So instead of using the machinery on the property he had men, women and children all lift together and move these beams. And this child could have easily died or suffered severe brain injuries and was not taken to the hospital per RAMA's direction. Instead he slapped olive oil (anointing oil as he called it) on his head and through him in a sleeping bag. The child laid there passed out for at least a day or maybe two before coming to! I bet that he still has indentions in his skull from this injury if an x-ray were taken. This is another example of negligence by Rama...for what his own benefit once again! Makes me SICK! Luckily more weren't injured during these stupid pointless chores Rama forced on his followers!

    Posted by: Anonymous Location: mn on May 25, 2008 at 10:28 PM
    RAMA C = Requires All Money And Cash

    Posted by: confused Location: minnesota on May 25, 2008 at 07:27 PM
    Just by saying that Rama is going to sue makes it seem like he's doing it just for the money. He is just like everyone else in Hollywood dramatizing his beliefs onto others and look, now he sues everyone that talks out against him. He's so much like Scientology it's not even funny. I didn't change my name, because I like it. It's part of who I am, just like the cult was a part of me. It's over, and I'm not bitter, I want people to know my story and to not make the same mistake again. I don't understand why I would need to change my name...

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 25, 2008 at 06:36 PM
    My religion doesn't hate It'll never turn you away It always understands My religion won't condemn Always lends a healing hand It's love My religion's love All it takes is to be willing To sacrifice for Someone who is in need Then we can begin To heal again And love will Sweep the land

    Posted by: L on May 25, 2008 at 01:43 PM
    yea.. your names are soo.. weird and Painful.. hmph.. what like .. elisabeth.. rachel..david..etc.. those are so weird.. they are just biblical names.. you too enoch and elkanah... peter.. those aren't weird they are nice

    Posted by: Anonymous on May 25, 2008 at 06:05 AM
    The whole fact is that NO there is no abuse going on now in the cult because everyone gets away with everything. Back in the day if I acted like the kids do now, but butt would have been raw. No I am not jealous I am just speaking the truth about this. The fact of things coming up now is because the school officials and police dept had evidence back then but they DID NOTHING. Why? I will never know. I never understood the situation back then and do not now; either. I think that is the problem that Shawano county is asking themselves now. Why didn't we do anything back then. Shawano cult members think they can always throw back at you when you ask these things. They start off with all this Hitler, Catholic Church, oh and now the new thing you are tripping on something, or stoned for that fact. And then have remarks that people are fat. Seems to me did you look at JB in the clip she sure has pudged out in her face. How about DS she sure has pudged out too. Oh thats from the choc

    Posted by: Does it Matter Location: At This Point on May 24, 2008 at 10:40 PM
    Yeah all these ex members are miserable so they make up lies of abuse...That makes no sense...what also tickles my fancy! Is the fact that some of these current members claim that ex-members come on here and lie about abuse so they can get their 8 minutes of fame...if this was so why wouldn't more of them be using their real names? I mean to get fame people have to see you or at least know who you are!!!HEY HEY LOOK AT ME! I truly do hope that Rama's tainted teachings aren't as horrible as they used to be!!!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 24, 2008 at 10:31 PM
    I wonder if RAMA was white...would he still be pulling out the race card anytime he and his followers get the chance? Funny how that works! There just racist towards a man they rarely if ever see! Yeah that's it!

    Posted by: john Location: north shawano on May 24, 2008 at 09:16 PM
    can you get in the bunkers. find records of all material retail lumber dropped off in last 15 years. always pays cash. m i bank tellers darlene sense takes employee chks to bank as followers sign forms were they work to pass chks onto her to pick up and dep for dr.employees at retail outlets chk w2s they work many long hrs 7 days week at stores that are open that long.how much pay if any. sunday nights burning at compound stinks so bad like flesh or something.ask why building inspecter never goes near the place.they do what they want.children working day night on compound.you have just touched the service. tv 2 tried 4 years ago but then backed off.

    Posted by: Anonymous on May 24, 2008 at 03:00 PM
    I want to clarify what Child Survivor said regarding many members being on welfare. There were a few on welfare--maybe 2 or 3 members, including 1 or 2 ex-members who were on welfare right after they left the group so they could get back on their feet and get on with their lives. Many current and past members should have been on welfare given their family size and their income but did not because they were too proud and Rama preached that it was ungodly to be on welfare and take handouts. Instead, members ate split peas and rice for days, even months on end, potato soup for days on end. Parents would feed their children supper and if there was not enough parents would go to bed hungry after a long hard day at work. All this while Rama was eating wonderful multiple course meals.

    Posted by: to minnesota on May 24, 2008 at 09:20 AM
    Rama is a big believer in changing names for symbolic purposes. We live with the sometimes wierd and painful names our parents so unwisely put on our birth certificates at the direction of Rama. To deal with it some of us go by nicknames.

    Posted by: red rebel Location: shawano on May 24, 2008 at 07:28 AM
    congrats to WSAW you are now a member of the tv stations Rama's going to sue .WBAY-WFRV and now WSAW the Rama's should really be careful perhaps they forgot what Shawano county did to the Pose comatatus back in the 80's in Tigerton they raided them with far less evidence than they have on the ramas.and to all of us remember there will be NO debaiting God on the day of our judgement..

    Posted by: Anonymous on May 24, 2008 at 03:21 AM
    I think it's interesting that shawano has known about these people for the last 30 years. I also thing its interesting that this is being brought to light more so with Texas being in the news. I am not part of this church or whatever it is, but there will always be people that will accuse you of something that is not true. Maybe the fact that Texas came to light shawano wants to "oust" this group because they are "different" than what most people are used to. And who knows, maybe there is abuse going on, I think that speaks volumes if Shawanos most useless have known about it, and are still trying to get people to actually speak out with "real evidence". But then again Ed Whealon could always falsify a complaint, I know he has done that for a fact as well as Randy Wright.

    Posted by: Wausaw Location: WI on May 24, 2008 at 01:59 AM
    OK, I'm not a member, never was...but I have a question. What if these group members really are telling the truth? Seems to me that if there really was substantial claims of so much widespread abuse, something would have been done. However, this has only come about in the...what....last 10 or so years? Come on, I'm an educated, critical thinker and it's hard for me to believe all these allegations are just being swept under the rug. It scares me to think that ex members are calling for a RAID on this 'compound' when there is NO evidence. THAT IS ILLEGAL. Very similar to what is happening in Texas right now. The state of Texas had NO RIGHT and NO evidence to just go in and take so many children away from their parents without investigating the prank call that started it all. Makes Texas look stupid, huh? Why dont people just leave this group alone until there is really proof of abuse. Someone's word many years later is not proof!!

    Posted by: Right To Know Location: Somewhere on May 24, 2008 at 01:24 AM
    For ANYBODY who wants to know what happens at this so called cult in this so called compound...If you are really interested and approach a current member in the right manner you will, and I can personally promise that, be able to find out and understand what Avraham Cohen and his followers are all about. To those who have left and are bitter, you are miserable and have no other way to make yourself happy so you wallow in misery. Misery loves company so you have found a few other miserable ones and together you are all staying miserable. I can think of much better topics to be miserable about but life is too short to be miserable all day long so get a grip, put a smile on your face and go to therepy if you are so damaged by what happened to you in your short life under Cohen's care. For those of you who wouldn't have made it had Cohen not encouraged you to get your education you only have him to thank and not yourself.

    Posted by: Same as before Location: WI on May 23, 2008 at 10:44 PM
    I wonder why your reporters can mention Secrets by name and even put their website as a link, but when I mentioned names (like the reporters who trespassed into the club) then you don't let that comment thru. Everyone knows the reporters name as he was doing this story and he was the trespassor so why keep this from the comment board. Just a question, but I already know the answer. Bias, bias, bias.

    Posted by: Anonymous on May 23, 2008 at 09:56 PM
    that is because we are not people running around changing our name. but then again there is a lot of people that have changed their names also.

    Posted by: Dylan Location: The Lakeshore on May 23, 2008 at 09:45 PM
    I am not a local but I have learned much reading all of your comments. I can't imagine being told when to eat, when to sleep, and where to work. How awful it must be to be told to sacrifice everything for meager rations and substandard living conditions to satisfy the delusional ravings of a leader that preaches one thing yet does another then lies about any knowledge of it afterwards. I'm sure glad I didn't enlist like I was going to do. I never realized what a cult the US Military was! Maybe WSAW should investigate them and their tyrant leader G.W. Bush.

    Posted by: Affected Friend Location: WI on May 23, 2008 at 09:17 PM
    Followers of Cohen: your doubletalk has revealed you. you claim there is no abuses, yet you have assailed former memers with such smears as " was one of the most abusive mother erer". so which is it. Is Gail innocent or do other abusers exist in the cult. I'd advise contacting Rama's lawyer that denies your existance before you dig yourself in a deeper hole. Better yet, open your eyes and dont let Rama delude you anymore. In response to posts about the catholic church, shifting the focus of abuse to another religion does not excuse the abuses of Rama, both are reprehensible, and as recent lawsuits show, abusive preists are being brought to justice, soon it will be Rama's turn. I wont even get to the comments in previous articles calling the city leaders and exmembers nazis...It would be a shame if anyone turned the comparison around and looked at how one carismatic leader can easily turn an entire nation to abuse people, not far off of Rama, eh? Stop harming the ones I care about.

    Posted by: The Devil Made Me Do It Location: Fire Down Below on May 23, 2008 at 08:39 PM
    Make haste and find the future. We were out casted so tragically. Curse the tide, and shun the sun, who needs it anyway? Become a black sheep with me. I stayed up long nights, staring wide-eyed at the sea. Throwing rocks and yelling but it made a man out of me. Follow a flock inside to assemble, and rally. Or fight the flow, and light the fuse... Conformity it seems all so wrong cause I always knew, that all along, I'd find solace in things important to me. And that's the way I want it to be...

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 23, 2008 at 08:18 PM
    Hey you called it a cult not me mr minnesota! The funny thing is you are probably a member!

    Posted by: shawano, sometimes Location: WI on May 23, 2008 at 07:17 PM
    Just want all the people reading this to know that Mr Cohen does not run or have anything to do with the parties held at the Best Western each month. This is a group of individuals who want to have a relaxing night of enjoyment with their friends. But on April 26th, Michl Lauber and Alison Sturve trespassed into a private party with a hidden camera to 'MAKE SOME NEWS'. Just for your information, there is a lot of money spent in the town of Shawano on those weekends, in a lot of businesses in town but nobody is complaining about that. The restaurants, service stations, WalMart, Ace Hardware among others all are making money from these people who thankfully are not bigots and racists. They use the stores in town, regardless of who owns them or runs them. To Michl and Alison, find a story more worthy of your education and careers using legitimate ways to obtain your information.

    Posted by: Left the pathological environment Location: Peaceful place on May 23, 2008 at 07:10 PM
    Why have no current members gone on record with proof against the allegations.? The station tried to get your side, but has received no response from any of them. If you feel the coverage is not balanced, then it would appear it's your own fault. I have one thing to say to all of you still in the group: you have only one life. Do you really want to keep living it the way you are? I was able to leave the group, after having been extremely unhappy for more than a decade, when I realized that I could not say for sure if there was a heaven or hell for us after death, but I knew I only had one life. You all deserve better than the emotional yanking around and the division he creates within families. I am embarrassed that I believed any of it. I sincerely hope that you and your families can be safe and happy. I fear that it is not really the case, if you would look inside and acknowledge it.

    Posted by: dennis Location: Marshfield on May 23, 2008 at 06:54 PM
    reporting undercover activities isnt a crime (as some would suggest) especially when dealing with religions. religion in itself isnt of God. Its mans way of finding release for whatever is ailing people inside their lives. so if a vain religion, preacher minister or pastor steps up to the plate and offers a new avenue of escape (albeit sex drugs booze locale or freedom ) those in "pain" will most likely jump on that band wagon in blind curiosity or attraction. Theres FAR too many religions (even in Gods name) that are growing like weeds in a grassy field around here. But as long as there are false leads to deperate hopes people will always first embrace those leads before finding the truth in Gods grace. Prayer is all they need to use as grace will lead the hurting and lost in faith. Nothing else will work otherwise. Without grace people will abuse themselves watch their kids die and follow vanity to no end..up to the very day they die. Then they will see truth for what it is!

    Posted by: none Location: none on May 23, 2008 at 06:20 PM
    Changing a name does not change the fact that Behera/Cohen abused countless children and encouraged others to abuse children. Changing a name cannot make anyone forget the pain.

    Posted by: child_survivor_of_the_cult Location: none of your business on May 23, 2008 at 06:10 PM
    I know ex-cult members that have changed their name because of being named by Behera/Cohen.

    Posted by: minnesota Location: minnesota on May 23, 2008 at 04:55 PM
    what is so funny is all these ex members who hate the cult still have the names that was given to them when they were born so he must not be that bad of a man if you still have your same name he gave you.

    Posted by: child_survivor_of_the_cult Location: none of your business on May 23, 2008 at 04:08 PM
    Also while a few members seem financially affluent the majority of the members are poor. I know many of the families were on welfare. We (members) wore homemade clothing and often times did not have proper apparel for the winter. I recall freezing quite often when I was a child. Behera/Cohen encouraged the members to obtain educations for nefarious purposes, so those members could provide free or cheap professional services for Behera/Cohen, not for any noble reasons. For instance, a member I know was encouraged to become a lawyer so they could provide Behera/Cohen with free legal counsel.

    Posted by: Logic & Reason Location: FL on May 23, 2008 at 04:05 PM
    TO: "Happy" and "Daily Herald"...There are no substantive comments from current members for WSAW to tell "your side" of the story. All that I've read does sound like it is coming from mindless wackos. You guys seem to have a real hangup with drugs, prostitution, whores, etc. Instead of all of this hate and destructive discourse, why don't you come forward and tell the world about the religion you seem to be so defensive about and loyal to. If it is so good and so fulfilling, you should not be hesitant to answer any questions. I don't think you want WSAW to air your postings - they will not serve you well, only paint you as even more mysterious and "wacko." So...WSAW please do AIR AWAY! Let the world see "their side" of the story.

    Posted by: child_survivor_of_the_cult Location: none of your business on May 23, 2008 at 03:10 PM
    Thank you for posting this and shedding more light on the hardships the cult members, especially the children, had to go through. I am another one of the children who was abused for over a decade in Behera/Cohen's group. Whenever I tell people about what happened, they are stunned. Law enforcement and child protection agencies need to be ashamed of themselves for standing by and letting us children go through all the abuse. You make my hard-earned tax dollars go to waste.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 23, 2008 at 02:57 PM
    Not all those who have eyes Will see what we're saying Not all those who have ears Will hear a note that we're playing

    Posted by: TIM Location: wisconsin on May 23, 2008 at 02:45 PM
    I think the entire world should know what kind of liars Randy Wright and Ed whealon are. Crooked to say the least . Right along with that punk dishonorable Tom Grovers.

    Posted by: TIM on May 23, 2008 at 02:28 PM
    I know one thing for a fact. The Shawano Police does lie. Especially in view of the fact I know the newly elected sheriff just as well as his wife. Ed whealon is also a liar.

    Posted by: LOL To Concerned Citizen Location: WI on May 23, 2008 at 01:57 PM
    I do dare because what I said is true...All you have to do is look at the affidavits and testimony from Gail and Ziela to see that they don't fit. Ziela is putting on a show to try to boost her ratings (actress) and this happens to be good practice. I feel sorry for her that her mother fed her so many lies that she has no idea what really happened in her family and to those around her. Guns? probably not..I am one of the last remaining "big boys," (insiders know what I mean), I am older than Zeila by many years. There were not any guns present. This another one of her fabricated lies to try to get fame and forget about all of her previous issues...after all, if she told her kids what really happened by her hands, they would never speak to her again, and she knows this. Where will she go then?

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 23, 2008 at 12:16 PM
    That's exactly what I would do if I was religious. Make up lies about people because they are supposedly lying about my leader. I thought the bible taught "turn the other cheek". I teach tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me GOD!

    Posted by: Mike Location: Shawano on May 23, 2008 at 12:07 PM
    Alright-forget they are considered a cult-what I don't understand is what's fair is fair. If Social Services is not going to investigate reported child abuse allegations, the city is not going to investigate zoning and building violations etc.at the "compound" then the same should hold true for all residents of Shawano County. Laws are suppose to apply to all residents-not just the select few that these county agencies choose.

    Posted by: Wambulance on May 23, 2008 at 11:58 AM
    Somebody STOP me. I think a tear just puddled up on my cheek. For thou are LOST!

    Posted by: ConcernedCitizen Location: USA on May 23, 2008 at 11:50 AM
    To LOL in MN and WI: I have to say I met a member of your group several years ago and they told me that Rama told them that if they left the group they would become prostitutes and drug users (of course that never happened). Now I never doubted the veracity of their statements, knowing their character as honorable people, but you just proved them right! Saying of Zeila "Maybe you should stick to something a little easier, like prostitution, drug user, etc. I'm sure your little brothers and your mother can coach you on that a little easier, they have some experience." How vile to impune the character of this woman and her family! BTW, she comes across as very composed and sure of herself, her story is compelling and quite in line with what I heard over the years. So who is the liar here?

    Posted by: Happy Location: MN on May 23, 2008 at 11:45 AM
    More importantly, IF they post our comments, in what context will they be used? Trying to make us appear to be mindless wackos? Challange to WSAW--discuss some substantive comments from current members that tell OUR side of the story.

    Posted by: Anonymous Location: Shawano on May 23, 2008 at 11:08 AM
    I went to school with Zilla's sister Anna. I remember Zilla and Anna being able to come over to the house when there dad was out of town. I remember her twin brothers Simon and Samuel but not really the rest of the family. I remember the day Zilla was able to have her first birthday party after her dad passed away. I remember feeling so sorry for these girls because of some of the stories they would share. I am happy that they found there way out of this mans life and are willing to share there stories.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 23, 2008 at 10:33 AM
    BROTHER = Beware Religion Offering The Hypocrisy Embodying Rama

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 23, 2008 at 10:32 AM
    I love reading the comments left be all these educated members. They sound so edumacated. Maybe if I had 4 master's degrees I would be able to spell and write a sentence. Funny thing is most comments have been truthful about Rama. Then you have all these current members coming back and personally insulting and attacking the people leaving truthful comments about their leader. To top it off they use the same words and name calling techniques they were taught as children. To all of you that claim there was never any abuse there by Rama: You are so tainted by his garbage!

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 23, 2008 at 10:13 AM
    Hi, wiser in wi. I thought no abuse happened in Shawano?

    Posted by: Happy Location: MN on May 23, 2008 at 10:09 AM
    I wonder which comments WSAW is planning to quote tonight. It's a given they will quote generously from disgruntled ex-members. Let's see if they will at least attempt to give an appearance of balanced reporting and also quote from current members. There are some pretty powerful statements from current members here!

    Posted by: Anonymous on May 23, 2008 at 09:41 AM
    secure in choices: if you are moving on to a phd, where is your loyalty to brother? You should be in shawano working at his gas stations for the greater glory of god. DO you wear heathen clothes too? Do you wear your hair up in a bun and wear long homemade skirts and tucked in blouses with a collar and the top button buttoned? If not, go back there if it is so wonderful and take it ALL in.

    Posted by: NoRamafan Location: Shawano on May 23, 2008 at 09:34 AM
    Whatever you do, don't eat the fudge. There are sicko's behind the wall of pine trees. Check the barrels where kids are punished for hours by being locked in them, watch the robots walking in the driveways. Check to see what account the working members' paychecks go to. Rama (his real name) takes it all. Notice the Cadillacs? Fly over and see the underground bunkers. I sure hope the folks in the Free State of Maryland are tracking this wacko. It is all about power for him - it is all about him - regretably these stories do no good, they just stroke his ego more. David Koresh - Jim Jones - Warren Jeffs - Merril Jessop -they have nothing on this control freak. I've been raised on the inside and happy to be free - don't eat the fudge!

    Posted by: LOL Location: Shawano on May 23, 2008 at 09:11 AM
    Figure it out...Just tired of abuse.......by you and your kind. Time we stand up for once and fight back. Do you honestly think we will just sit by and take some more abuse and let you "spew forth" lies about us? The Jews in Germany made that mistake and went like lambs to the slaughter, remember ovens and gas chambers? Dr. Cohen might be a peacable man and not say anything, but that doesn't mean all of us are going to sit back with our mouths shut. Wake up! I have had enough abuse by the media, people I went to school with, people who don't know us, ex-members who try to cover up their previous errors, etc...Just because it upsets you that we are finally speaking up doesn't mean we are going to stop. It just means we are going to call you out as to what you are....liar. And now you don't like it...waaaaaa waaaaa

    Posted by: Daily Herald Location: IL on May 23, 2008 at 08:45 AM
    WSAW, Did you see that? There was no evidence found in Texas with that so called "cult" and now their kids are to be returned to there parents. Can you imagine the damage done to these kids because of this horrible "mistake"? Oh yeah, millions of taxpayers dollars were wasted when someone decided to place a prank call. Hummm, this situation sounds to familiar. Isn't that what is happening here WSAW? AND you guys are only reporting what you feel the viewers want to see. I wonder which comments they plan on showing tonight. I'm sure none of them will be ones that are showing the good. I'm sure it will be all evil comments made by the haters and depressed.

    Posted by: For What It's Worth Location: Medford on May 23, 2008 at 08:38 AM
    I have always believed that my God is a God of love, not one of cattle prods and electrical cords. I have always been wary of any "religion" that preaches hate..."love one another as I have loved you" is what faith is all about. Also, if a person is proud of their faith,they want to tell the whole world about it and spread the good news, not secretively hide the fact that they are followers and any information about their faith. "Beware of false prophets" comes to mind. I say use the good common sense God gave you and ask yourself "if it smells like a skunk and walks like a skunk and looks like a skunk....".

    Posted by: Guess Who on May 23, 2008 at 08:07 AM
    Response to Hannah -Obviously you don't have correct information either. I do know ex members that have been in Iraq. ANd rama is anti - american he preached it every fricking weekend. QUITE LYING - Also I remember there being guns around. You were a lot younger then, so you wouldn't have known about.

    Posted by: Anonymous Location: shawano on May 23, 2008 at 07:23 AM
    i've lived in shawano for 30 yrs and one thing hasnt changed if these cult wackows dont get there way they print there little news letter calling everybody in the city natzi's and racesits and yes it is time for the federal gov to go in there and inspect there compound and go over Rama's book's and if there as inocent as they claim let them prove it.

    Posted by: Figure it Out on May 23, 2008 at 05:54 AM
    Wow, this sounds like a bunch of judgeing lunatics wishing evil on people. Why don't you worry about yourself and what you have to take cafe of in your life instead of wishing evil on others. Obviously the truth hurts or you guys would not be fighting this so bad. If you are such law abiding citzens and holier than though people that is what you would be doing. REmember to go be selfish and pray for yourself.

    Posted by: Jet Location: Michigan on May 23, 2008 at 12:36 AM
    I know people who are in the group and people who have left the group and I truly believe this evil man, Rama or whatever name he is going by today, should be locked up in a dark, very small room for the rest of his natural life. He has a stench of lost souls on his person. He doesn't even allow tv or radios or newspapers to be viewed, heard, or read by his coolaid drinkers!!! My God, what are the authorities waiting for, blood of those brainwashed people. What has he been doin with all the money all of his followers have been giving him. He, for years, claimed the money went to a school in India, but when members investigated this, they found no school. Perhaps the feds should investigate him for money laundering. Maybe our National Security Dept. would uncover that he is involved with terrorists.

    Posted by: secure in choices Location: WI on May 22, 2008 at 11:52 PM
    Since I have was born and raised in this group I have made the choice live a different lifestyle while in college, but have since gone back to my childhood foundation, I have been on both sides of the fence and know with out a doubt I made the right choice. The abuse and nasty stories that have been told are astonishing to me. I wonder were I was, maybe another planet that I missed all the drama. I grew up secure, loved and taught that we have the free will to make our own choices wither good or bad. My family and Dr. Cohen gave us great amounts of encouragement and taught us to focus on making our lives better and being a success. Due to Dr. Cohen always pushing us in a positive manner to be better people, I now have a great job that is very good paying and I have attained 2 masters degrees and plan on going for my PHD. My husband and I live in our own hm, have new cars pay our own bills and have security. I wonder who thought we were poor and all lived in a compound! I missed that.

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 11:36 PM
    Silence in this corner. Maybe that's significant.

    Posted by: Hannah Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 10:51 PM
    So now they're trying to portray Dr. Cohen and members as anti-American. Has everybody forgotten, members pride themselves in buying U.S. made products? Has anybody noticed every vehicle is an American made vehicle? Oh and I bet you didn't know that we vote for whomever we choose to vote for? And yeap - Numerous members are members of the military and have been over to Iraq several times and were in Desert Storm as well fighting for this country. Can any of you ex members say you've done that? One additional question - where are the guns and ammunition anyway? I've been a lifelong member and have never seen or heard of weapons of any kind. Soooooo what's wrong with saying this land is full of Christians? It's true, isn't it?

    Posted by: Bob Location: Central WI on May 22, 2008 at 10:24 PM
    I just view the 10:00 PM News, What an appauling story, It's time that Shawano and the State of Wisconsin realizes what's happening and put and end to it. The people of our area are not of this culture and should not let this happen. Thank you News 7 for your worthwile report. Now get the local authorities to act on this. Old saying " Run them out of town on a rail" you know the first sentence!

    Posted by: still here Location: wi on May 22, 2008 at 10:00 PM
    Zeliah why dont you go to hollywood there is more excitement there you might get be a celebrity.

    Posted by: eddie Location: colby,wi on May 22, 2008 at 09:35 PM
    good your reporting on cult in shawano.there is a cult like group in western marathon co.running out of a so called camp ground east of unity.i reported this group to the state of wis.told them you got a black hole east of unity ,wi sucking up investors and taxpayers money.my friend and one of the owners used to joke that he was a cult leader.well its not funny for my friend any more because hes dead and cant tell what happened.we both were investors out there and lost alot of money.and to set the record correctly i wasnt mad at my friend cause we lost money cause he was the one person that was on our side.we could have all made money but these people had another agenda.

    Posted by: Anonymous on May 22, 2008 at 08:43 PM
    The bravery of this young woman and her family is amazing. First, the courage her mother displayed by rescuing herself and her children from the grasp of his control, and second, the courage of her daughter to come forward and relive the horrors so that others might find the strength to rescue themselves. When the law is not able or willing to stop abuses like this, I am grateful for people like Zela who will speak for those who have not yet found their voice.

    Posted by: wiser Location: wi on May 22, 2008 at 08:38 PM
    last time i was in shw last. there was no walls boy i must be blind and as for gail i know you cheated on thor and was one of the most abusive mother erer. you were the one that would wip us with cordes and pull are ears. we the childern of the group are so happy you are gone.

    Posted by: LOL Location: MN and WI on May 22, 2008 at 08:06 PM
    Hey Zeila, you will never make it as an actress. It's too obvious you are lying, just read your body language. Maybe you should stick to something a little easier, like prostitution, drug user, etc. I'm sure your little brothers and your mother can coach you on that a little easier, they have some experience.

    Posted by: Mandolin Location: Kauai on May 22, 2008 at 07:48 PM
    Where in the world is WAUSAU, WI? Does it happen to be near Silicon Valley where your iPod was developed? (Let me know if you don't know what that is.) Does it happen to be near Harvard, Johns Hopkins, or Princeton...hence the seat of intellectuals? Does it happen to be near Myanmar or Beijing, where there is actually something worthwhile to report? Does it happen to be near TX where perhaps you could let us know the private life of President Bush? Does it happen to be near a university medical facility that has a cure for cancer? Does it happen to be near Beverly Hills where there are actually some celebrities to see? Or perhaps it's on the other side of the ocean near Madrid and there are actually some breathtaking views? Or near Moscow? I'm only guessing but from what I gather, WAUSAU, WI really has nothing better going on--it needs to find excitement in even smaller neighboring towns. My recommendation to the reporter: Go get a life.

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