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    Secrets in Shawano: Part 3: The Hotel Controversy Save Email Print
    Posted: 7:37 PM May 21, 2008
    Last Updated: 8:32 PM May 21, 2008
    Reporter: Mikel Lauber
    Email Address: mlauber@wsaw.com


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    In this series, we’re taking a closer look at the controversy surrounding a group led by Avraham Cohen, formerly known by two other names: Rama Behera, and Samanta Roy.

    For more than 30 years, the secrecy surrounding this group has led to much speculation. Some are also concerned about the financial impact on the community; Cohen has invested millions in local businesses, left some buildings vacant, and has fallen behind in taxes and other payments.

    Even more recently, one of the hotels he owns is drawing complaints and protests because it's the site of private adult parties hosted by a swingers group called ‘Share Your Secrets’.

    NewsChannel 7 was asked to look into these parties at the Shawano Best Western Motel. We captured what was happening at one of their ‘private parties’ on our hidden cameras.

    Shawano Police Chief Ed Whealon says, despite the controversy over what many view as immoral, such parties don't necessarily violate any laws. "There is a statute on the books called adultery”, Whealon said. “But to enforce that statute, you have to have a victim or a party to step forward and file a complaint with law enforcement."

    However, in each of the last few meetings citations have been issued, including serving alcohol past hours and refusal to allow officers on the premises.

    There's no question these parties are causing a stir in the community. And Mike Schuler, Town Chairman in nearby Wescott, says their connection to Avraham Cohen is concerning. "It's very difficult to believe that a person that has a religion, that preaches on weekends and allows his hotel to be used for what it's used for once a month”, said Schuler. “I don't understand."

    But Alan Eisenberg, an attorney for Avraham Cohen, says Cohen is not involved. "It's of utterly no significance”, said Eisenberg. “And one thing's for sure: Avraham Cohen has absolutely nothing to do with it. He doesn't even know about it. It has not been discussed with him. I have not spoken to him about it."

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    Posted by: Jim Location: Formerly_shawano on Nov 26, 2008 at 07:51 AM
    In high school (mid 90s), I watched one of these rama kids, a guy named Kaleb, punch a chick in the face. He totally sucker punched a girl on the basketball court at lunch. Closed fist, and again, it was a cheap, cheap shot. On a girl. These people are disgusting heathens.

    Posted by: The Traveler Location: Shawano on Jul 30, 2008 at 09:55 PM
    Anyone who visits Rama's businesses can see that the workers there are doing the best they can. Most of them are polite, friendly and helpful to customers. They keep their workplaces immaculate. The sad and sickening thing is that THEY ARE NOT BEING PAID! And they are working far more than 40 hours per week! However, I believe it is better to work in a gas station, hotel, or gift shop than on Rama's compound doing endless chores such as shoveling dirt, sweeping goose poop from walkways, pulling weeds, standing guard, or whatever other miserable task Rama orders. At least in the businesses, Rama's followers can interact with customers, let some of their own personality out and have some brain stimulation. I have no doubt that many of them want to leave Rama, but they can't bear to leave their children and/or other family behind. There is a high price to pay for leaving, but the desire to be free to live one's life as they choose can make a person willing to pay the price.

    Posted by: to DR Devil crusader Location: LOL on Jul 24, 2008 at 10:28 PM
    ok "just don't call me late to the strip club"!!!! hillarious!

    Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: Betyouwanttoknow on Jul 24, 2008 at 01:51 AM
    Hear ye! Hear ye! Listen with an attentive ear! I have never said I was the Devils Advocate. I am the Devils Crusader!!! If it makes you feel better, you can feel free to call me Dr. Devils Crusader. Just don't call me late to the strip club. I'm hoping that one day soon they will put a strip club on my university campus. This way I will always be late for class and have a good excuse. Hmmmm...Thought time!

    Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: Betyouwanttoknow on Jul 24, 2008 at 01:41 AM
    Anonymous...This can't be Dan because this one claims to be an honor student. Dan, dont be discouraged because like they say, the 10th try is the charm. You will pass the boards. But seriously, good luck finding a job.

    Posted by: Dr. Santa Claus Location: Eating steak at people's express on Jul 17, 2008 at 10:44 AM
    Dr. Santa Clause has many smiles when he reads the wisdom of Chester the Molester. WOW! Nice parrot, nice parrot, can i pet your cute little bald head? Having steak and a glass of milk? Is it turtle steak? WOW, and you call his washed up bankrupt sewage hole gas stations fortune 500 companies. ALLAH AKBAR! Behold i just ran into the porcelain throne at people's express and a vision from god. I AM A BRAIN SURGEON! Hear ye hear ye, ALLAH hath spoken! Dr. Santa Clause is a brain surgeon as well. What a bunch of Crap! You guys crack me up all day long. Talk about some real wisdom. This DUMBO character is hiding behind underage girls and sitting out in Baltimore like a little B**** COWARD. COME FORTH Dr. COHEN, FRAUD come forth with your great family that ALLAH hath blessed thee with thou great wannabe Sadhu jew.

    Posted by: Dr Santa Clause Location: Porcelain throne watching DUMBO on Jul 17, 2008 at 09:37 AM
    The Honorable Dr. Fraud Rumadumdumb, fails again to come out from behind the skirts of women and children and defend his name. Behold, this uncircumcised Philistine is wandering about seeking his orthodox jewish family in the hindu temple in Orissa! Alas, he is making plans to circumcise his posse of women. RamaDUNG will have to change his name again, bcz this too must be done within the Secrets of Shawano.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 17, 2008 at 06:38 AM
    yawnnnnnnnnn no cages for me. i have a full day ahead between work and family which im sure you know nothing about. maybe even hit up a movie and afterwards a nice expensive restaurant with steak and a glass of milk.

    Posted by: SG Location: to HELICOP on Jul 16, 2008 at 10:44 PM
    WOW you're back! got any words to the wise??? I am lost in the cults' lies and crazy rationalizations & i don't think there is a prayer for normalcy for some of them... but i am out shaking things up... a few followers of the 'profit' may be really surprised soon!

    Posted by: DR. Santa Claus Location: BURGER KING on Jul 16, 2008 at 04:24 PM
    Wow! That is so cool! Rock on! I work at a fortune 500 company too. Sometimes they even let me wear that cool headset and take orders from the drive-thru window and i get to do it all by my own self! And when they ask for extra ketchup i give them a whole bag of ketchup! THis is so cool! WOW! Do you want to be friends? Or do you work at that Extortion 500 company called CYST? The one that owns all those gas stations that don't sell gas? And don't pay taxes because the only taxes the lord instructs his B****'s to pay are the taxes to DR. DUMBO, aka CHESTER THE MOLESTER? By the way, where is that cool guy hangin out these days? Is he with those blonde toddlers again? Where doth he hide? I really want to get his autograph! He is my idol. Every morning while i visit the porcelain throne it reminds me of the greatness of your Hindu god named DR. RumDUNGPILE. ALLAH AKBAR, get back to work! You are nothing but a parrot of DUMBO so get back to your cage.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 16, 2008 at 02:24 PM
    for all you know i could work in there corporate office. LOL and i chose to not flaunt my education around. we all have many different personalities and i dont use my education skills when it comes to communicating with low as- people like you. keep up the talk its interesting to see how people react to simple comments. oh and you dont even know me so for all you know i could be living in a mansion.yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn keep the comments coming. im quite pleased at all your reactions

    Posted by: lol on Jul 16, 2008 at 01:50 PM
    remember: fortune 500 could mean McDonalds or Taco Bell/KFC/Burger King. get back to the french fry station Anonymous.

    Posted by: to Anonymous on Jul 16, 2008 at 01:12 PM
    You went to college and you write and spell like that? puh lease

    Posted by: Guess Who Location: why would you care on Jul 16, 2008 at 01:06 PM
    to anonymous - where is your money if you are really working for a fortune 500 company? Do you have anything to show for it? Obviously college didn't help you at all. You still do not have any brains that are worth while using.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 16, 2008 at 09:58 AM
    i am not working for free. i fact i work for a fortune 500 company if you care to know and make some kick as- money. LOL keep guessing. oh and in college i was an honor student so that rite there goes to show i can think unlike you

    Posted by: Elina on Jul 16, 2008 at 08:51 AM
    Anonymous, you can stop with the personal insults now. Why is it that everytime someone says something against Rama, you take it personally? We are not insulting you. We are insulting Rama. Or rather trying to tell the truth. If you want to defend him, say what you think without the immature behavior and attitudes.

    Posted by: helicop on Jul 15, 2008 at 09:41 PM
    you are doing great things in the world by working for free and benefiting one and only one person. soemting to be proud of....get outta there and go to college and learn to think

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 15, 2008 at 05:53 PM
    thank you for all the compliments. they make me feel mighty proud to the proud person i am. LOL i'll have to resort to childrens talk again. WORDS WONT HURT ME. keep talking im sure you doing so much good in this world by running your mouth. definetly making me feel like a better person. LOL

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 15, 2008 at 01:41 PM
    Leave your facts up DUMBO's a** where they belong. They smell as bad as he does! Thou art mighty wise "Anonymous"! You have solved the problem facing you and all the other current brethren. It is my mental instability that has separated your families, caused you to claim bankruptcy or be on the verge of claiming it, caused you to be mentally and physically abused, and caused your warped sense of beliefs on the world and "religion"! Once you wake up from your rudumberite coma you might be able to see the real world in a fresh set of eyes. Let's get back to the real reason this blog was started. Not to trade insults back and forth between members and ex-members; but to expose the sick fraud you current members call brother! Tell your profit to stop hiding behind his puppets and come on here and explain it to us ex-members. We would love to hear all of his bathroom prophecies again. You know we are all just on here because we miss him and his ears so much. DOWN WITH DUMBO!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 15, 2008 at 01:25 PM
    Maybe if I ask Rama for some of those "special" pills that he prescribes I might become less "mentally unstable"! YAY!!

    Posted by: Dr. Santa Claus Location: Satans throne on Jul 15, 2008 at 12:22 PM
    Sounds like mr anonymous is spewing for for RUMANDUNG DUNGPILE rubish. You guys bring me much humor. You want to talk about mentally unstable, eh? Well, tell you what, why dont you put your great Sadhu Fraud to get on the line and quite hiding behind women, children, parrots and puppets. Tell the great extortionist to come forth from hiding. Or is he to busy molesting children with his fellow DEADBEAT dad CHILD MOLESTER cronies? Wake up, you're a brainwashed puppet. ALLAH AKBAR! LONG LIVE DR DUMBO THE FRAUD!!

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 15, 2008 at 10:10 AM
    amen elina thou art always rite. again as someone posted before if you were all so righteous and uprite people why would you call urself the devil or any names like that. yea "the Devil" is doing a good job of showing how mentally unstable he is.

    Posted by: Elina on Jul 14, 2008 at 07:20 PM
    Sheba was just pointing out that if you are trying to make a valid argument, it might be helpful to have it backed up by decent language skills. Nobody is going to take you seriously otherwise. Good spelling is an indication that you have decent reasoning and are serious about your topic. As for "the Devil", he is doing an awesome job of depicting who Rama is and debating his use of language is not the point. Your reactions of pointing the finger at him are not addressing the real discussion-Rama's actions. Let's talk about who and what Rama has done (good or bad). Keep going "Devil" and others; what the supporters of Rama say reflects directly on him. I, for one, am proud of you all.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 14, 2008 at 05:24 PM
    oh gosh i didnt proof read again. Yahhhh. hey sheba do you think you could proofread these for me

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 14, 2008 at 03:43 PM
    It is working! I must have kindled the anger within RAMA...for he hath had his puppets come forth to attempt in insulting me! Still waiting for a good one though. I think old big ears might use some of your overdue tax money to reduce the size of his EARS! Watch out!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 14, 2008 at 03:41 PM
    Great clarification by both of the aliases known as Anonymous! That clears everything up. Thanks. I will take that as another compliment. I love it. You would rather resort to grade school "says" than lower yourself to my standards. One question though. How do you lower yourself to standards when your standards are already lower? Maybe if ask for forgiveness from a pedophile I might be saved...That will be the day! He will burn in hell before that ever happens. Oh and by him I mean BROTHER! Beware Religions Offering The Hypocrisies Embodying Rama!

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 14, 2008 at 02:30 PM
    to the devil: your postings say more than you think about your mental state. keep posting they are actually quite entertaining to read. and yes i do have to resort to grade school says. id rather do that than lower myself to your standards and language.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 14, 2008 at 02:20 PM
    never said i was well educated i said quote "i have an education" come stop putting words in my mouth

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 14, 2008 at 12:12 PM
    I never claimed to know anything about you or your education! You claimed to be well educated after Sheba corrected you on your spelling of the English language! Then I simply stated that somebody that is well educated might want to at least learn to spell correctly if they are claiming to be a scholar! Also, if you are going to assert that I don't know things about you or your education...why would you claim to know anything about me or whether or not I am miserable! That seems a little hypocritical to me! But that only makes sense considering where you have been raised and who you are defending. So before taking the defensive and stating simple grade school recess sayings like "sticks and stones"...you may want to re-read the previous postings and you might come to the realization that I never said anything to insult you. Just stated simple facts...But since you are so knowledgeable you might want to send that saying over to the old big ears..It might work for him! DOWN WITH DUMBO!

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 14, 2008 at 11:32 AM
    to the Devil: Congrats you know nothing about me and espiecially my education. i chose to write and speak my own way. i could care less if i spell a word wrong so someone can critize me for it. if i really cared what everyone thought of me id be a miserable as you. keep it up sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 14, 2008 at 11:08 AM
    Well if your leader is so great and such a "man of God" than I should take that as a compliment "Anonymous" right! Funny how you are now referring to your own leader as DUMBO as well. Look current members...the lord hath blessed me and now I have been elevated to the prestige comparison of DUMBO. The one with the big ears and the nose down to his feet! And from the postings I read it doesn't look like your are so educated if you insult your own leader in an attempt to insult me. I don't believe Sheba was lecturing...just proving a point. Don't tell us how educated and smart you are if you can't proof read your own postings. I could care less about proofing my postings for spelling or grammar because I didn't come here to impress anybody! Just bad-mouth the old big ears as much as humanly possible. Like the bible that you guys supposedly believe in! An eye for an eye! Or in this case and ear for an ear! Oh I made a funny!

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 14, 2008 at 08:34 AM
    to Sheba: i'm not calling them names just refering to the names they are calling themselves such as The Devil, Devils Advocate. Hello arent you reading any of the other posts. oh and i have an education so dont even try to lecture me. I had plenty of those in school. to The Devil: you have always been at the level of Dumbo so dont justify how you "stooped" to that level

    Posted by: figure it out on Jul 13, 2008 at 10:30 PM
    Oh and the other thing that was used to pop that turtles shell was a ax and sledge hammer I know that Tom would know all about this.

    Posted by: Sheba on Jul 13, 2008 at 03:49 AM
    It is a free country, but you're butchering a language, it doesn't have anything to do with a country it is just my preference for you to have an education. It is a name calling game for some. You are calling them names too (such as devil friends). I'm not surprised that they are nor you, since a lot of us came from the same background and were/are told to name call. I wish that it could be better...so I will keep posting and hoping. I have not lost hope.

    Posted by: figure it out on Jul 12, 2008 at 11:05 PM
    I can tell you for sure that turtle was eaten in Shawano. I can even tell you who caught the turtle and who took the shell off the turtle and how they took the shell of the turtle. All this was done in front of many childrens little eyes in Dennis's backyard. Tom took a big log chain and kept swinging at the helpless turtle to break its shell. The turtle was then split and meat taken to rama's and thrown into a pot of curry. So maybe you should go ask Tom about this because it really did happen.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 12, 2008 at 10:55 PM
    Before the slew of names being sprayed all over this chalkboard like graffiti came from my/our end...we tried to state all the truths about your deceptive leader as rational as possible. Sure we referred to rama derogatorily but there were no new names called. Then of course come the false accusations from the current members about how the ex-members are drug addicts and prostitutes! Specific family names were brought into the mix and bad-mouthed with absolutely no facts. Just lies that Rama has spewed forth for years to keep all you current members under the vise. What next the total and absolute defiling of your wonderful aka disingenuous leader. We (ex-members) are not here to insult you current members. Just try to get across the fact that you are brainwashed and you have been taken complete advantage of through malicious mind control. It's hard to see but the maticulous rational thoughts that have been put out here have been disregarded. So, we have stooped to the level of DUMBO!

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 12, 2008 at 08:14 PM
    i can spell however i plz. its a free country. and maybe the members havent chosen to post because this has turned into a name calling game. they defend themselves and you call names. Whats the point. ok so maybe you havent done any name calling yourself but maybe you should talk to your devil friends that are posting nasty comments

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 12, 2008 at 08:26 AM
    You're a brainwashed PUPPET! LOL You're leader is a BIG-EARED child MOLESTER!

    Posted by: Sheba Location: MN on Jul 12, 2008 at 04:06 AM
    Just because a few can read the blogs doesn't mean all of them are allowed to. I'm sure if all of them were, there would be more comments on here. There are more current members than ex-members who regularly post on here. Oh and "straite" is spelled "straight" in the english language, so get that right. I am an ex-member and haven't resorted to nasty language either, so read correctly.

    Posted by: Jungle JANE Location: Looking for a parrot, to place upon the crown of DUMBO on Jul 11, 2008 at 07:49 PM
    Well mr Anonymous, you had better start taking notes yourself, LOL LOL LOL now that is just F***** hilarious isn't it? WOW, when dr DUMBO lets you out of your cage does he give you bird food for the road? Or do you fast until you get back to the zoo so you can indulge in kosher pork sandwich crumbs? You guys bring much humor to my day with the stupidity! It is very entertaining reading the great words of a bunch of cowards that don't even have the nads to admit they are still puppets of the great and mighty Sadhu rabbi! Wake up and tell your great towel top to come forth from the tunnels and bring the females and children with him. ALLAH AKBAR!!

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 11, 2008 at 06:19 PM
    if they were told not to read the blogs why ae they still posting comments. LOL get your facts straite before running at the mouth

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 11, 2008 at 06:08 PM
    if anyone has responded to questions with name calling its been the ex members. maybe you should learn to read before saying anything. they have been the ones who've resorted to nasty language and cant rise above bathroom language as you all put it.

    Posted by: Anon on Jul 11, 2008 at 02:37 PM
    I directed my post to the members at least as much as to the rest. But I understand that they have no valid answers to all the complaints being registered, so maybe it is useless. Nevertheless, the ex-members should not stoop to the gutter-level language of Rama and his disciples. Keep posting facts about the rama-trauma we have all experienced, and maybe the light will turn on in the brain of some sincere lurker out there, defying Rama's probable command to not read the blogs (as he told them to not read the Shawano Leader articles about him).

    Posted by: to Anon on Jul 11, 2008 at 01:33 AM
    The current members have no reasoning capacity to discuss the real issues. Try asking them a thoughtful question and they won't respond, or they will respond with name calling. Rama has called them names, verbally abused them and talked dung bathroom talk to them for so long its the only language they understand and respond to.

    Posted by: Elina Grace Location: Much Love and GRACE on Jul 10, 2008 at 05:04 PM
    Not meaning to be undiplomatic...Scripture should be used to fight Rama and I give you kudos for using a weapon that I'm not familiar with. However, it is difficult to hear it if it is aimed elsewhere (as an example of a Shawano kid). I feel so inundated by religion and spirituality that I feel pain and want to run. I prefer my own healing process of praying, not praying, thinking, not thinking... I don't want to be in a situation like my childhood where, (yes I know it's different) I'm given an ideology and told it's the right way. Our basic foundations have been strip-mined. Another thought is that we reserve the right (ALL ex-members) to have our opinions and beliefs regardless of the past and what it did to our views of the bible and god. Many in the "world" grow up "normal" and have these similar ideas and issues. But by all means, keep up with the talk to the current members. Hopefully it will work. p.s. This doesn't apply to Rama-no cattleprods, wires, etc..are involved.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 10, 2008 at 01:37 PM
    Nah!! It's obvious talking like an adult doesn't get far with these current members. So, you have to take it down several levels...somewhere between 1st and 3rd grade. I mean c'mon look at the thing they call a "man of God"...it is what it is. AN IDIOT...who found a way to manipulate losty souls! He preaches so much against Catholicism...because most of his "teachings" are based on the catholic faith. Get yourselves out of purgatory and back into the real world and your life!

    Posted by: Anon on Jul 9, 2008 at 10:35 PM
    This discussion has degenerated to a point that we should all be ashamed of. Let's try to raise the level a bit, demonstrate some civility, and stick to the real issues.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 9, 2008 at 09:37 PM
    That is wonderful. But sh** smells better when it isn't surrounded by more sh**. Maybe you could febreeze and the smell wouldn't linger as long. many of us ex-members had to drench ourselves in febreeze so to speak to rid ourselves of the crap that rama weighed us down with! 1 tarp, 2 tarp. red tarp, blue tarp. look i am writing a children's book just like DAN. they might call me Dr. Seuss. Dr. Seuss is more of a Dr. than your child molester, waste of space RAMBLE-ON!

    Posted by: TO hey devil @ 6:17 Location: are you kidding? on Jul 9, 2008 at 08:51 PM
    did you hear what you said???? "I am proud to be a product of him, even if it is sh**. At least I am something." THAT IS SERIOUSLY THE MOST STUPID THING I HAVE EVER HEARD(or read) YOU ARE PROUD TO BE A PRODUCT OF HIM EVEN IF ITS SH**? how can that be normal...why are none of you CULT people normal? Just wake the hell up & get NORMAL...you can still be GOOD RIGHTEOUS HONORABLE & BLESSED and be NORMAL. GEEEEEEZZZZZ! you poor poor lost souls- ps you're all the "MEAN" people B T W ... letting physical & emotional abuse go on / allowing your kids to get F***ed up and your families & mariages totally wrecked - and hanging on to the bitter end. screwed up totally!

    Posted by: Hey biffy on Jul 9, 2008 at 06:18 PM
    What about the white and red tarps? Or are you still stuck in the blue porta-potty.

    Posted by: Hey Devil on Jul 9, 2008 at 06:17 PM
    I am proud to be a product of him, even if it is sh**. At least I am something.

    Posted by: Biffy Location: Under the Blue Tarp on Jul 8, 2008 at 09:49 PM
    Hi my name bif-shady. I pray under a blue tarp to a child molester...who would be lucky if I didn't flush him and his followers...oh wait it's a porta-potty...there is no flushing...we'll just let the stench build up until the blue tarp and everything under it must be destroyed!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 8, 2008 at 07:24 PM
    So if ole big ears is in fact "king of the crapper"...and you members are products of him...that must make you "the sh** inside it" maybe you should climb out of your whole before somebody flushes you...it's starting to get pretty rank!

    Posted by: Avraham Location: blue tarp on Jul 8, 2008 at 06:53 PM
    Wow, mr. to the devil. Thy new name shall be BIFFY. SO Biffy how does it feel to be a nice smelly porta-potty?

    Posted by: To Devil on Jul 8, 2008 at 05:45 PM
    It is better to be "king of the crapper" than be the sh** inside it.

    Posted by: I can't forget on Jul 8, 2008 at 05:23 PM
    I can't forget remembers! We were indeed fed turtle curry at the Ballinger's. I also remember the pork curry rama made there, and how he took the lid off the pressure cooker while there was high pressure inside. Glen warned him, but the profit disregarded and suffered the consequences. Who got the blame? Not rama, of course, but the Ballingers. Of course that was before the Lord had made known that it was a sin to eat swine flesh. But it was ok for "swine" to desert his family and dedicate his life to serving rama in India.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 8, 2008 at 12:26 PM
    Who are "they"? If you were or are a part of this group you would be calling the "they" ins this matter WE. So that said. If you were never a part of this group how would you know if Rama threw a turtle in his nasty bubbling pot of curry and forced the brethren to eat it. Then I don't recall any of the brethren begging to eat this foul concoction. So that leaves my finger still pointing at the big eared prophet of goose dung! Also what does "insides must be knoting like the devil himself". why are the devil's insides knoting if there is such a thing. and how do you know that if there is a devil that it has a gender. think before you write...oh and pull the goose crap out of your mouth first so your words don't smell like where they came from...RAMA's tainted visions on the porcelain throne! Yay for KING OF THE CRAPPER!

    Posted by: Devil on Jul 7, 2008 at 06:24 PM
    How is it someone elses problem you were dumb enough to eat a turtle sitting in a mud puddle? They have never eaten turtle, even from the beginning, so it sounds like a personal problem to me. You're insides must be knoting like the devil himself.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 3, 2008 at 07:01 PM
    "the bible thumpers" c'mon now anonymous. you want people to respect your so called religion yet you demean and insult other peoples faiths. don't be a hypocrite. oh wait that's one of the only values you learned from your pathetic leader. oh and by the way a wolf usually dresses like a sheep. remember the story of little red riding hood. "oh grandma what mighty fine teeth you have" *CHOMP*. watch out for your so called man of god will be taking a bite out of your a** before you know it. i can call myself whatever I please...doesn't prove a thing. it's what's inside me that truly matters. and right now I sure don't have a gut full of rotten turtle curry rumbling around! or did you forget about that....shhh don't tell!

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 3, 2008 at 05:47 PM
    To Elina, Is that why these people are writing in his name? Thank you for proving the point. You said it better than I ever could have, "One way the Enemy (Satan) is glorified is by people doing things in his name." Is that not what these people are doing, calling themselved by these horrible names? Doing things literally in "his name?" I still think that the bible thumpers are talking to the wrong people. In all my years of research, the leader of that group has never called himself G-d or Satan, in writing nor in tape recoderings.

    Posted by: To: DC on Jul 3, 2008 at 03:58 PM
    (DRY cont.) Lu 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

    Posted by: To: DC on Jul 3, 2008 at 03:55 PM
    Not only HOT, but DRY, too...no Coke machines. Read this: Lu 16:19 ¶ There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

    Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: betyouwanttoknow on Jul 3, 2008 at 02:22 AM
    Ummm....FYI...Tomorrow at noon (CDT) the devil will be at a screening for an adult film shoot. At this time, please don't interupt by starting to wrestle against the ruler of darkness. He has been looking forward to this shoot for 3 days. In advance, His Wickedness, would like to thank you for your cooperation. Until next time may you not wrestle against flesh and blood, but go to an all nude "female" mud wrestling match. OMG....it's HOT!

    Posted by: To Elina on Jul 2, 2008 at 09:31 PM
    One way the Enemy (Satan) is glorified is by people doing things in his name. I think you misunderstood. The real enemy is not Rama but Satan. Rama is nothing more than a puppet in the hands of the devil, just as Rama's followers are his puppets. Ephesians 6:11 says: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

    Posted by: To Elina on Jul 2, 2008 at 05:41 PM
    I am truly sure that G-d knows your hearts and minds, all of you write that down, some day you will need a reference to it.

    Posted by: Elina on Jul 2, 2008 at 03:55 PM
    p.s. Us fighting Rama with using HUMAN language does NOT GLORIFY THE ENEMY. I would like to think that God knows our hearts and minds. We are fighting unrighteousness. Leave us alone!!!!!!

    Posted by: Elina on Jul 2, 2008 at 03:52 PM
    "Satan, the Devil, etc..." are really good people who have gone through literal hell. These names were given by Rama and they are conquering their past by using them to tell the truth. You have to step outside of the box here. This is not a normal situation of good vs. evil. The bible and God almost doesn't even apply because it has been twisted so badly that it is unrecognizable. My understanding is that true Christianity allows for love and acceptance, not condemnation. If these people want to use these names, that's their right. My name was "Little Eva" which probably means nothing to you. However, it means the worst of my evil rotten grandmother. I was interrogated until I had to accept it. For hours. In public. I was 5!!!! Be a loving Christian and help us instead of fighting us.

    Posted by: Writer of the bible quotes on Jul 1, 2008 at 06:57 PM
    You say that you "being a good christian would never associate myself with people who call themselves by such horrible names and portray such evil in their writings." Don't you know that the Lord Jesus associated with tax collectors and snnners? It was the proud, self-righteous Pharisees that condemned Him for that. You don't know the abuse these souls have suffered. It's true that they should not post things in the name of the devil -- it glorifies the Enemy and opens themselves up to demonic invasion. But they are the products of Rama's spiritual oversight. They are burned out on religion and ignorant of spiritual truth, as a result of Rama's twisted theology, denegration of the Bible, and abusive behavior in the name of God. But I question your own theology from the attitude you display toward the people with which you say you would not associate.

    Posted by: The Angel Location: Heaven on Jul 1, 2008 at 04:43 PM
    Hear Ye Hear Ye. All ye rambalites should listen to the ALL-MIGHTY words that I shall speak of! I have a very good name so that means that ye shall listen. The lord hath sent me a vision that I shall start the most holiest of places for worship. Ye are welcome every weekend. I want thee to start coming. I have shoved 4 4x4's in the ground and wrapped it in grey tarps...the holiest of tarps. Inside lies a red carpet for me thine leader and surrounding the red carpet are three 50 gallon drums. Ye shall come upon the setting of the sun every friday evening until the rising of the monday sun. Ye shall cleaneth the geese dung from my property and fill me drums with your paychecks. If you do all that is spoken ye shall be saved for your sins and the sins of your ancestors. I hath spoken and my name is of a good nature so that means that I speaketh the truth. Come one COME all. I don not want to work anymore....and I want yee all to support me. Hurry cuz my property taxes are due soon!

    Posted by: to anonymous Location: 6:43 post on Jul 1, 2008 at 03:13 PM
    hey DIMWIT.... ever ask yourself "hmm why do they have the nick names 'devil' 'satan' 'sad' cant forget'"? ask them SHERLOCK, bet there is a reason why they penned those names. Bet that 'devil' is actually a God fearing person...bet there is more to the story ...bet that the 'emperor & his new clothes' was the twisted F that called a child that name...just a guess...maybe you should check. AND YOU BEING A GOOD CHRISTIAN???? the bible say there is no one good no not one.

    Posted by: Ask Location: And Ye Shall Recieve NOTHING on Jul 1, 2008 at 02:34 PM
    Ask you big-eared, ugly hat wearing, child molesting, money laundering, human enslaving, leader where his Brain Surgeon practice is located. I need a tumor removed!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 1, 2008 at 02:33 PM
    By the way "these people" are not a people nor do they have anything to defend themselves from. Nobody has come been attacking "people" unless you consider DR. Molester to be several people...because he seems to go by several names/aliases. Since you seem to have such great insight...maybe you will be the next prophet when this one joins are infamous prison system for years of molestation/rape/abuse/and money laundering. Why is it that nobody cares to defend there courageous leaders. No they are such religious people that they don't feel it necessary to retaliate to such allegations...no they will just call names that a 3rd grader would use and and make ludicrous assertions about people they have knows nothing about for years. You better be careful because I hear the tarp on your place of worship is beginning to tatter...and before you know it the smell from ye rumbalites fear-filled leader shall catch wind from Baltimore and rot your compound from the inside out.

    Posted by: to anonymous 6:43 post Location: joke, right??? on Jul 1, 2008 at 12:47 PM
    hahahahaha I am blown away by your STUPIDITY hahahaa I actually hope you go there & get trapped & broke & screw up your kids & ruin your family and you get to lead a "double life" FOOL! because you deserve it for being such a clueless moron. LOL can't stop laughing... wtf!!!

    Posted by: to Anonymous Location: false and fake and pretending on Jul 1, 2008 at 12:24 PM
    If you have been interested in this group for many years, get your butt back there! Go there every weekend, get yelled at for nothing and work for free in the businesses. Obviously you haven't suffered enough to see the truth that this guy is a fraud, extortionist, slave driver, and a bipolar lunatic!

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 30, 2008 at 06:43 PM
    I have been interested in this group for many years even going back in the 80's. If these people need help, do you think they would ask for help from someone who calls themselves satan, devil, and devil's crusader? Even I can't forget and sad girlfriend sound depressing. And to the writer of the bible quotes, you should be ashamed to be associated with people who actually call themselves by these names. I think you are directing your writings to the wrong people. Me, being a good christian would never associate myself with people who call themselves by such horrible names and portray such evil in their writings. No wonder these people don't even try to defend themselves. It's like meeting a dirty homeless dog on the street who is peeing on a sign post. You don't sit there and try to explain to the dog, that it's dirty and stinks. NO, you go around, keep going and make sure your kids don't ever go there.

    Posted by: to Satan Location: health and well being on Jun 25, 2008 at 10:14 PM
    May your anger help you to do something about this guy. I feel your anger sooo much. I know how it feels. I know how to calm myself now. So here's a hug. Don't tell me it won't fix it. Cuz it might help just a little. Especially since you probably didn't get one while in there. I know I didn't. (((Hug))

    Posted by: satan Location: under the royal blue tarp on Jun 25, 2008 at 04:22 PM
    Hear ye hear ye, all you ramdamerites. Behold as i watch from under the tarps and see you all hiding with your feet in your mouths a revelation hath been made known to me. Surely all you bretheren's sins and eniquities have caused this disgrace to Dr. Ramdam. Thou hast caused these lies to be printed about your Sadhu because of your pride and because you "have not listened to the word of brother" Dr. Ramdam, the brain surgeon, lives a simple life of destroying your families and extorting all your money to fund his lavish lifestyle and his fantasies. As a well respected member of the extortion community he hath donated $500K of your money to a school on the east coast. You have no respect of the pains Dr. Ramdam went through to donate that much of the money he is extorting from you. Your sins will find you out and now you have caused such disgrace to the name of Dr. Ramdam. Now because of your sins, Ramdam's son hath turned against him as well as he hath exposed more Ramdam lies.

    Posted by: to DEVIL Location: hell on Jun 24, 2008 at 05:42 PM
    hahahahah I like you "devil" i like you alot! still laughing to myself! ."..Stick to your sex parties..." wow how stupid & superficial - ryan is caught in a sexwarp! heeheehahaha

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 23, 2008 at 09:38 AM
    Wow RYAN great insight. Why are you on hear ranting about something you know nothing about. Stick to your sex parties and we'll stick to bashing the man that deserves to be taken down!

    Posted by: Ryan Location: Milwaukee on Jun 21, 2008 at 08:10 PM
    I have been attending swinger parties for 5 yrs. Been a co-host and manager at them. Have known the lady and gentleman who run "Share your Secrets" for the same amount of time. Never even heard of Rama or his "cult" before now. Don't care about him one way or the other either. The fact that the media "assumes' that Rama would even know about these parties let alone use this as a link to "expose" him is a VERY long shot. The fact remains that it is indeed a private party where the true focus is to have fun WITHOUT anybody sticking their noses into our own consentual business. It's not advertised publicly, nor is there any exposure to people who don't want to hear about it until the media goes and exposes it. See it for what it is, not what someone else uses as a tool to bash someone else to up their ratings. This time it's both swingers and Rama. Next week it'll be a huge car accident or a house fire that kills a whole family of five. Get a life and toss your television out the window.

    Posted by: to Anonymous on Jun 13, 2008 at 04:38 PM
    Instead of attacking and calling someone a name, why don't you answer the question? Do you believe and practice the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament?

    Posted by: nobody important Location: who cares on Jun 13, 2008 at 03:21 PM
    Hope? really ? these are a group of people run like dumb cows by a hindu jew wannabee christian hater. what does that make a person? they are not Jews/ surely not Christians/ hindu mutated goolash?? what!? C'MON really where is God? Does God care? In OT God executed judgement to those who were false prophets/ judgements against kings/ judgement even to our patriarchs when they screwed up? Where is the hope for trodden down, mocked, ridiculed, slaves...led by a misguided mismanaged egocentric freakshow??? There are no checks & balances of common sense men & women keeping that group on track! He's a little hitler, jim jones...hell they're gonna pass the koolade anyday .

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 13, 2008 at 02:38 PM
    Devils Crusader speaks it exactly. Change the doubt to action! Because they all doubt some aspect of RAMA. If they don't they have no logical thinking left because of the years of brainwashing!

    Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: betyouwanttoknow on Jun 13, 2008 at 01:56 PM
    To~ no body inportant. What you say is so very true except one thing. There is hope. There really is! I have seen it first hand. Many many people have left and have and want nothing to do with rama except to expose him for the fraud that he is. Inside of every member still in this cult, there is a part of them that want to get out of this situation. All that needs to happen is for that "WANT" to get bigger and bolder. When this happens they will be gone. Gone from the torment, gone from the concrete floor upon which they have to sit, gone from mind control and gone from the lies that have been told to them all these years.

    Posted by: no body important on Jun 13, 2008 at 01:42 PM
    I read this stuff... like a moth to the flame. a heart that truelly cares YET as I read and see the frustration/beligerance/ anger/ smart alec comments/ stubborness/ hatefull words -- I see how God must grow so so so weary of striving with us all. This is a small grouping out of the whole world and there is such volatile emotions... no one is convincing either side of the fence ..it's truelly hopeless as I see it.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 13, 2008 at 01:02 PM
    SSR the bible thumper is back. you are definetly going to save lots of souls on here. LOL.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 13, 2008 at 11:53 AM
    How are we trying to control anybody by speaking the truth about a psychopath? LET'S ALL TYPE IN CAPS THE WHOLE TIME!! MAYBE THAT'S HOW WE CAN CONTROL ALL OF THESE PEOPLE!

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 13, 2008 at 09:56 AM
    LET PEOPLE LIVE THERE OWN LIFE. AND YOU ALL ARE TALKING CONTROL WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO. CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL

    Posted by: to Anonymous on Jun 12, 2008 at 04:53 PM
    Do you read the Old Testament? You should re-read the 10 commandments and pay special attention to, "Honor thy father and mother" You and Rama might learn something.

    Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 11, 2008 at 06:25 PM
    I can just hear him as he is typing also screaming READ THE NEW TESTAMENT, I am cracking up here!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 11, 2008 at 05:04 PM
    Toe jam tastes great. Eating it up!

    Posted by: The Devils Crudsader Location: betyouwanttoknow on Jun 11, 2008 at 04:27 PM
    15 minutes of fame? Noone is looking for any kind of fame or fortune. This cult has distroyed a huge part of our lives and the only thing that I or anyone else wants it to get the current members away and out from under the control of Rama. And as far as me being the "gueen of the hill", I'm a man not woman. Just to let all of you know how much we all want you out of this (for your own good), I have been out of this cult for just about 15 years. And for the post on June 11 at 12:38pm, I'm not sure what you are talking about. Get ahold of me if you know who I am. Thank you, The Devils Crusader

    Posted by: To: to devils crusader on Jun 11, 2008 at 12:38 PM
    How do you know ex-members are dumped? Are you saying that because Rama says so? Those who leave WANT to finally be the adults they are and make their own informed decisions and have their own lives. They are given help to get on their feet and jumpstart their lives from those who know what its like to be in their shoes, they are not "dumped" when they need help. We don't micromanage fellow ex-members lives like Rama thinks lives should be managed. We provide advice when asked and respect people's right to make good and bad decisions about thier own lives.

    Posted by: SRR on Jun 11, 2008 at 12:15 PM
    You say, "Everybody is all wonderful when they leave, then when they have problems, the people who told you to leave are to [sic] busy to help..." Why do people have problems when they leave? If Mister Cohen's teachings are so great, why are they not established in the Lord? He calls himself a "man of God." What is the fruit of his "ministry?" By their fruits you shall know them. When they come out, some are athiests, one became a Muslim I heard, some become Jews, some are so burned out they don't know what they are. Few are established in the Lord. When I walked away from Shawano, I did not need a baby sitter or human mentor or caregiver, because the Lord Jesus was my rock and my foundation and my help. Why? Because I had studied the New Testament which you despise, and I was grounded in the Lord and not dependant on a man. Forget the Rama propaganda which you parrot so well, and READ THE NEW TESTAMENT!

    Posted by: SRR Location: MN on Jun 11, 2008 at 10:07 AM
    You say, "Everybody is all wonderful when they leave, then when they have problems, the people who told you to leave are to [sic] busy to help..." Why do people have problems when they leave? If Mister Cohen's teachings are so great, why are they not established in the Lord? He calls himself a "man of God." What is the fruit of his "ministry?" By their fruits you shall know them. When they come out, some are athiests, one became a Muslim I heard, some become Jews, some are so burned out they don't know what they are. Few are established in the Lord. When I walked away from Shawano, I did not need a baby sitter or human mentor or caregiver, because the Lord Jesus was my rock and my foundation and my help. Why? Because I had studied the New Testament which you despise, and I was grounded in the Lord and not dependant on a man. Forget the Rama propaganda which you parrot so well, and READ THE NEW TESTAMENT!

    Posted by: To devils crusaders on Jun 10, 2008 at 05:40 PM
    And what happens when you get people out of the cult, tell them to make up stories, twist facts, then give them 15 minutes of fame and then dump them in a ditch and say figure out your own problems. Everybody is all wonderful when they leave, then when they have problems, the people who told you to leave are to busy to help and the real sad part is they can't help themselves, how can they help you. They say I don't have time to deal with your problems, I am to busy being queen of the hill. I don't think I want that type of life. My life is modest, simple, peaceful and above all, I have real family, friends and relatives who can help me make the right decisions about life, not just gusses.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 9, 2008 at 07:51 PM
    Right on Devils Crusader! This is not about religion because religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. Well obviously the moral code does not exist. Unless it goes something like this! Do anything you want and you will be better than the rest of the world as long as you bow down before RAMA...because he is all knowing! Yeah on how to manipulate every facet of your mind. There is not much to say about any person who has all the degrees in the world that can allow one person to exploit their soul and control them to the point of no return!

    Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: betyouwanttoknow on Jun 9, 2008 at 03:54 PM
    This whole thing has gotten out of hand. What this is all about is getting out the truth about Rama. This is not about religion because this cult is not a religion. Rama is using and has used religion to gain and keep absolute control over every "follower". To all the "followers" that are posting on here, we (The Formers) know your lies are all from Rama. You can do nothing without Ramas' approval. Again, this is not about religion but the truth about Rama and this cult. The abuse, emotional abuse, slave labor, child labor and most importantly, the complete control over every matter. To everyone in this cult still ~ there is hope and every one of The Formers will help you in any way possible. Get ahold of anyone of us and something will be done in very short notice. Want to get out??? Get ahold of someone...PLZ

    Posted by: RE to get a clue on Jun 9, 2008 at 12:17 PM
    right on!... sad girlfriend and devil

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 8, 2008 at 04:39 PM
    That made no sense! You need to get a clue!

    Posted by: sad girlfriend Location: to whoever june 7th on Jun 7, 2008 at 04:18 PM
    YOU think YOU know the RIGHTEOUS JUDGE ?!?! hahaha - HE not a man/ you can not put HIM in a box/ HE won't be or do what anyone thinks. HE will seperate the wheat from the tares/ if there is corruption in any of us..we will all individually answer/keep your own garden weeded & remember HE IS near to the broken & contrite. HE does turn all things together for good to those who LOVE HIM.

    Posted by: to get a clue Location: Wausau on Jun 7, 2008 at 01:03 PM
    Wow it seems like you really are not even a tiny bit scared of that Righteous Judge. Continue you lies and feelings of sympathy for the rest that lie. Continue your lies. The RIGHTEOUS JUDGE will provide blessings for Dr. Cohen and will rightly judge you for your wickedness. I am no member of this group but those of you who are so boldly quoting scriptures need to take a look at yourselves before trying to curse another person. Let the RIGHTEOUS JUDGE take care of those in the wrong. Blowing a trumpet throughout the nation about something not true is not going throughout the nation and spreading the gospel. Now go spread the true gospel not the fake one that I have none through the Catholic church and the Lutheran church. The Lord Jesus is real not fake like so many churches portray.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 4, 2008 at 12:35 PM
    You are too cute buddy! Your lies roll off your tongue like spit too! In church I learned not to judge people! So what if my name were "The Devil"...I could be a saint! This "crap that WSAW" is putting all over the news is the truth. And how would you know otherwise if you are not a part of the group or never were! By the way...Thanks! I do smell - great. Lately I have been picking up a lot of garbage left on this blog by the unfortunate current members of this CULT!

    Posted by: To to get a clue on Jun 4, 2008 at 12:08 PM
    are you saying thats a lie, that a child was NOT beaten up at D&G's house in September of last year? you know very well its true cus the child is no longer living there. Just becasue no one was arrested or charged doesnt mean it didnt hapen, it means that Shawano police are scared of rama and dont do anything.

    Posted by: to the devil Location: to hell on Jun 4, 2008 at 10:12 AM
    the last time i check i was not part of the group, never was nor will be but i do know many of the people in the group and they told me about this crap that wsaw was putting all over the news. i have been friends with two of the girls there and they are very pretty and hard working girls who mind there own business. it is very funny that you call yourself the devil because that must mean that you are very bad person. From what i learn in church is that the devil is a bad person. You must be a mean person. What do you do for a living? Pick up garbage? That is why you smell! LOL

    Posted by: to get a clue Location: non of you damn business on Jun 4, 2008 at 10:03 AM
    if there is this so call child beaten at some V residence (what ever that means) then why have they not been charge or arrested? and when and where did it happen because you must know alot about it and must have been involved with it if you know so much about it. if the child was not in shawano limits then what did you do with this child? The police better track you down and arrest you for beating a child!(minor)

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 3, 2008 at 09:15 PM
    TO: to i cant forget...obviously you are a part of the group...since you know who this person is...oooohhh scary! DOWN WITH RAM-DAM!

    Posted by: Get a Clue Location: Shawano County on Jun 3, 2008 at 06:26 PM
    I'm not a lawyer, all I have is a fake homeschool diploma which I got after my mom did all my work for me. I guess a little common sense and the ability to spell got me a long ways. But thanks for the compliment. It's really good for my battered self esteem.

    Posted by: TO: get a clue Location: MN on Jun 3, 2008 at 02:26 PM
    'get a clue' hmmmm you sound like a lawyer. could you be ??? esquire?

    Posted by: Get a Clue Location: Shawano County on Jun 2, 2008 at 01:04 PM
    To the person who doubts the report of a child beaten at the V residence: You certainly are ignorant. First, the report was filed with Shawano County Sheriff's Department, as the residence is not in Shawano city limits. Second, it is a juvenile matter so it is not public record.

    Posted by: to i cant forget Location: what the hell on May 31, 2008 at 04:59 PM
    as far as i care you need to get a life and the last time i checked there was no record at the police station. And i was there today to get this so call report so either you lie or dont know what the hell you are talking about or the police lie cus i am not a part of the cult nor to i go there. i just went to check on your info. just remember i know who you are but you dont know who i am. hahaha

    Posted by: I can't forget on May 30, 2008 at 01:33 PM
    Leona, anyone can see that you are deceived. Why? Because you said, "These things were all hid from us." Yes you were kept from things your group told you were wrong and sinful, but you were also kept from the truth. As a result, you are extremely biased in your worldview. You need to know that there is another side to the story. The religion rama created is an extremely deceptive, destructive, and twisted lie. You have to put poison in good meat, or the innocent animal won't eat it. The worst lies are semi-truths (a wolf in sheep's clothing). The wool is pulled over your eyes, and rama's eyes, too. The greatest deceivers are those that are deceived themselves. There seems to be a constant debate here, as to whether or not abuse has or is now occurring in the group. Yes, it is occurring! Check the Shawano police records from September of last year. Leona, a child was removed from your parents' basement as a result of a severe beating. Were you aware of that? Serious abuse has occurred and is taking place now! Perhaps the worst is the emotional abuse. There are mothers crying -- they have not seen their children for 33 years. There are fathers who have died waiting to see their sons and daughters return, and the children have not even attended the funerals. Today children are being taught to hate their parents. Today children are being taught to not speak to their parents. Today mothers are sobbing, wondering when/if they will ever see their children and grandchildren. Horrible abuse is occurring NOW! The tears of many are soaking the ground, and cries of the abused are arising to the Lord Jesus, the Righteous Judge, whose eyes are like fire and face like lightening. They will be heard and answered. We convene the court of Heaven and cry out for justice, justice, justice! THANK YOU, WSAW, for caring enough to expose this sad situation that has existed for far too long in Shawano.

    Posted by: to Move On Location: love my life on May 30, 2008 at 07:00 AM
    im not bitter, just angry every now n then when i hear about rama. I'll "move on" when he stops the slave labor and untites families instead of destroys them

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 29, 2008 at 08:19 PM
    Hi MOVE ON! No, I don't know that nobody held a gun to Zillah's head. How could you possibly say that you know this? How could Rama possibly say it was a lie? He wasn't there; it happened in the basement of one of the Brethren. What I do know is that Zillah told Thor and Thor told Rama. I know that Rama called it a lie upon hearing it. He directed Thor in the punishment Zillah was to have for this "lie". I know that Thor beat her severely. I know that Rama told us the beating would work toward saving her soul. I know that Rama assured Thor afterwards that it was necessary and good. But Rama knew it was true, and not a lie. That's why Zillah was beaten so awfully. He did not disapprove the violence nor the abuse of it; he disapproved of her telling it. It was too much truth. It was telling on him. It would expose him. It wasn't the person holding the gun he was protecting. He was protecting and hiding himself... sadistic coward, giving her to punishment in his place.

    Posted by: TO all those CONCERNED on May 29, 2008 at 02:47 PM
    Everybody is going on and on about these alleged tall tales of abuse that get more outrageous with the passing of time. For everybody's information - to anybody who is sincere and not just snoopy with a bitter bias, You are free to visit and see for yourself what goes on. To all those bitter "ex-members", there are Many, many people who have more or less left over the years and they come back for meetings, etc. from time to time. (of course they do not hold the bitterness and hate that I've seen displayed here) However, if you really are concerned about abuse, etc., why don't you see for yourself?

    Posted by: MOVE ON! Location: Getting on with my life! on May 29, 2008 at 02:01 PM
    Especially, Gail even you know, if you will be honest, that NOBODY held a gun to Zillah's head! Br never ever encouraged guns (even Uzis) and my parents would never even allow my brothers a gun for hunting! The only people that had guns that I ever knew of (and I'm older than Zillah)were Matthew and Grant and both are gone! Moreover, everybody honest knows Elina never sat in any hole for three days! much less one day without food and bathroom. I am also several years older than Elina and I can't remember any deep holes she describes, and I know for a fact that my family stayed in Shawano a lot more than hers did. People need to get honest with themselves here/ quit being bitter and move on!!! It's true what another writer wrote - there is NO ABUSE going on! Times have changed/ practices have changed and kids basically play all they want! People even go to the restroom during meeting if they need too! Imagine that! MOVE ON and DROP the BITTERNESS - IT's only eating you alive!

    Posted by: MOVE ON! Location: Getting on with my life! on May 29, 2008 at 01:51 PM
    What does everybody keeping harping on about this alleged abuse!?? It's so out of touch and ridiculous! When I was in 1st grade my public school teacher also made me put my nose to the wall many times - one time because I was so shy when it was my turn for show 'n tell I stood in front of the class with a blank mind - I was shy and couldn't think of a thing to say! The teacher yelled at me as though I was bad and made me stick my nose to the board. Another time she dumped my entire desk out onto the floor because she was mad! Today, a teacher would be fired for this type of practice - back then (1980)nobody thought anything of it! Times march on and with time, people and acceptable practices change. It seems to me that some people here are so bitter they intentionally and repeatedly dredge up the past telling their tale over and over - each time it grows bigger and more colorful until it is totally false!

    Posted by: Laura Location: Shawano on May 29, 2008 at 01:11 PM
    dangg living in shawano is kinda scary now.. knowing that all that stuff goes on in my little community.. SCARY

    Posted by: Questioning Location: Not far from Shawno on May 28, 2008 at 01:33 PM
    Is this true? "to Sandy: did you conveniently forget that you used to use a cattle prod on your first husband to keep him awake in the meetings?"

    Posted by: True Disciple on May 28, 2008 at 12:42 PM
    We need to ask Jesus to take a "whip of cords" after "money-changing" Rama and chase him out of the Brethren's "Temple" aka Meeting Room. John 2:13-17. "My house shall be called a house of prayer, but you make it a den of robbers." Matthew 21:12-13

    Posted by: Sheela on May 28, 2008 at 12:20 PM
    Oh yeah, and by the way, she didn't steal her husband from her sister so get your facts straight. Keep out of something you know nothing about.

    Posted by: Sheela on May 28, 2008 at 12:18 PM
    Who ever is “to Sweet and Innocent Leona”, you seem concerned over something that is none of your business. You are trying to hurt someone with words. At least she has someone, do you? You seemed bothered by the circumstance more than she or anybody else for that matter. Why are you trying to be so ugly? If you hate Shawano so much, why don’t you do something better with you life and move on. You are only hurting yourself. One day you will have to answer to God for all of this, and tell me this, what are you going to say? I don’t give one care or another at what your response is going to be to me because you can’t hurt me. I’ll let God do the judging.

    Posted by: Devils Crusader Location: betyouwanttoknow on May 28, 2008 at 10:22 AM
    TO ~~ You know who. Really, who do you think you are? Do you really think you are going to call out the "Devil"? His mother, brother, sister? Why dont you go and bow down to that indian that you consider a god of possibly a fatherly figure and ask for forgiveness. I am sure you have partaken of Chocolate lately

    Posted by: Devils Crusader Location: Betyouwanttoknow on May 28, 2008 at 09:52 AM
    Leona~plz dont say "former members" like it is a bad thing. it really is too bad that you are still there and still refer to that thing as "Dr. Cohen" Nobody is making a big deal about the hotel and the swinger party that is being held the on a monthly basis. What i am upset about is that all of this stuff was deemed to so bad and corrupt and a thing of the world. Likewise, I am upset that I did not recieve an invitation to this weekend of fun at the hotel. It sure would have been fun watching ramas "fledgings" working for free. Please admit to yourself that you really need help getting out from under ramas direction and mind control. Since i got out, its been a blast. Im so proud of myself, I have gotten myself to a place in my life to where i can work at a gas station for free...Amen! Please pass this on to "whatever his name is." He will be so proud. One thing that im upset about is that rama did not help me finish the final level of Halo 3. So, indeed he does not help me at all.

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 27, 2008 at 10:39 PM
    Hi, me. That Rama has dubbed me "Josephina Goebbels" is at once insignificant and terrifying. I used to feel deeply hurt by the blows of his words and the debasing names he made up. I don't put stock in his words as "the word of the Lord" anymore, so I am not hurt by "Josephina Goebbels". But, I also admit I am terrified to hear it. To realize that he STILL thinks of himself as The Victim on par with the Jews in Nazi Germany, the followers of Jim Jones in Guyana, the "non-Christians" in the Inquisitions and Crusades... and others... is the beginning of fear. Add his paranoid belief that there will be war waged against him by US Federal Agencies and law enforcement someday, and the terror mounts. Add his firearms (he likes Uzis for his imagined connectedness to Israel by them), and the possibilities are beyond terrifying. He spoke in terms of eventualities though, not mere possibilities, and he pushed us toward readiness to kill and to die for the Lord by killing and dying for him.

    Posted by: to sweet and innocent Leona on May 27, 2008 at 10:30 PM
    I hate to say it but you sound like a person that has a lot of anger issues. Maybe you really need help. Have you ever thought about learning what a true christian is? Christians don't believe in hiding themselves we have another person always to fall back on so that we dont back slide and have crazy ideas that make it a cult. Non-denominations have others connected to them so there is no chance of becoming a cult. Check it out. God Bless you and your husband you stole from your sister and your new child. Someday I hope you too will see the light.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 27, 2008 at 08:57 PM
    Just a reminder: The EPA should take a look at the raw sewage of a pond on the adjoining property! Something smells bad!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 27, 2008 at 08:50 PM
    Well when all the porn shop owners start claiming the to be prophets from god then I would have something to say. Until then DOWN WITH RAMA! TO THE GALLOWS> WITH HIM!

    Posted by: Leona on May 27, 2008 at 05:49 PM
    cont....girls & women dress with barely any clothing, books & TV clearly display sex, and violence is everywhere-children are put in front of video games. These are the things we were all hid from due to the impact it has on ones mind. Clearly you have found these things comfortable and entertaining and have blamed Dr Cohen for leaving the group and have to come up with insane excuses for it. Don't blame Dr. Cohen. He is all about helping you but you need to want the help. Lastly, for those of you making a big deal about the private party at the hotel why aren't you shutting down all the porn stores, all the sex on TV, etc. Why don't all of you FORMER MEMBERS find something better to do. Maybe you should be praying, join the Internation House of Prayer and pray for yourself that you be delivered from you insane lies and that your brains be cleared of so much garbage. No you'd rather torment yourselfs over stuff that never occurred. Admit to yourself that u really need help.

    Posted by: Guess Who on May 26, 2008 at 08:21 PM
    I would like to know exactly what problems you think I have. As far as I know I don't have any that would EVER bring me running back to rama. You must all have a lot to remain under his control.. So don't tell me that I have problems.

    Posted by: Guess Who on May 26, 2008 at 07:48 PM
    to Sandy: did you conveniently forget that you used to use a cattle prod on your first husband to keep him awake in the meetings? WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT???? I would call that ABUSE! And all that at the orders of RAMA.

    Posted by: FreeFromShawano on May 26, 2008 at 03:23 PM
    Sandy referred to "the doctor.' Who is this doctor? Assuming it is Rama, could any of you followers of this man produce his credentials? What institution granted that title, or was it self-bestowed? Would a man of integrity give himself a bogus doctorate? Think about it...

    Posted by: Former Member Location: Midwest on May 26, 2008 at 11:13 AM
    This is to all the current members of Mr. Cohen's group. I know that some of you are very conflicted and disturbed about what this group has become. I know the deep fear that you struggle with. I know you think about leaving, but have no idea how you would survive or what you would do. Please know that there are former members and people on the outside that will help you. Even if you need a quick escape from wherever you are, all it takes is a phone call and someone will be there for you, and you will be safe. I know, I have been there.

    Posted by: Spider33 Location: Omnipresent Web on May 26, 2008 at 11:12 AM
    Vanity is shallow... I don't know what this had to do with anything... I didn't even know this existed. I will have to see where the next meeting is... lol Why doesn't anyone complain about "Survivor"...?

    Posted by: to Sandy Location: Shawano on May 26, 2008 at 12:24 AM
    Sandy, we all know that you and the other brethern are not living a secret life and everyone knows you work hard and earn a just living. Its the DOCTOR whos hiding away doing his secret life in Baltimore and hiding from the public, when's the last time he made an honorable public appearace. he has Kal, Darlene and Naomi doing his dirty work and taking the fall for it.

    Posted by: toSandy Location: minnesota on May 25, 2008 at 08:02 PM
    The race issue is not the problem Sandy, the problem is what's happening to your kids...because you voluntarily joined it, but they didn't...I was born into it, left and now I'm out, getting two degrees at once. I'm not prostituting myself (which I was told I would do if I left), nor am I getting hit for writing with my left hand anymore(which I did when I was still in the cult. Life is good now, let your children live theirs.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 25, 2008 at 06:51 PM
    Cult = a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader. Sounds right to me!

    Posted by: Open Minded Old Lady Location: Wausau on May 25, 2008 at 06:09 PM
    To Tomahawk, I couldn't agree with you more. The press rubs it in peoples faces and makes things SEEM worse than what it is. The same with CSI using bondage and S/m lining to crime scenes. It makes the BDSM lifestyle look like we're a bunch of criminals.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 24, 2008 at 10:23 PM
    All these former members must be on a really big guilt trip about what...being abused by Rama and having half their life wasted because of his bullsh**? This whole news report was not only about the sex parties it was about a sick, twisted, abusive, lunatic who has destroyed countless families and continues to this day! I'm sure everybody on this blog has done good and bad things in their life... but I know I am not using the LORD'S name to rape people of their money, family, and their whole being. THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE SICK MAN YOU ALL CALL DOCTOR! And if there is any kind of GOD out there HE WILL PAY FOR EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE TO YOU CURRENT AND PAST MEMBERS!

    Posted by: Amanda Location: Wausau, WI on May 24, 2008 at 07:39 PM
    Before you point a finger, make sure your hands are clean! Similarily, to those you love to quote the Bible so freely, try these, "Matt. 7:1 'Do not judge, or you too will be judged'". Or how about "John 8:7 'Let him who is without sin cast the first stone'".

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 24, 2008 at 03:57 PM
    Hi Sandy. You, and somebody who accused me earlier here, of cheating on my husband... are VERY maliciously misinformed. Like in the first poster's, I still hear Rama in your words (though your grammar and typing are MUCH better!) I never cheated on my husband. And, for the record, too... I was a sexual virgin until my marriage to him, contrary to Rama's other favorite accusation against me from the very beginning. You should also read again; I never said Wayne died as Thor died. Please don't put words into my mouth which twist truth for Rama's false use and convenience. I must say, though, I have longed for the day when I may be witness to Rama lying under oath. This is not quite that, but its a little close. I am bolsterd by all these lies. And since you are now here, too... let's revisit the child abuse.

    Posted by: Anonymous Location: CA on May 24, 2008 at 03:41 PM
    Sandy, wasn't your 3rd child A born at D&S's house on your birthday? Rama got so mad at S because she "pulled the cord" and caused you to bleed.

    Posted by: catholic and lutheran churches Location: shawano on May 24, 2008 at 02:42 PM
    catholic and lutheran churches welcome any nonmembers to come to thier church for services. group doesn't. churches don't spend hours of church time rebuking members in front of each other. group does. churches don't tell you in great detail how you must dress, especially women. group does. in the catholic and lutheren church there is more than one person who has power to make decisions. in the group there isn't. In the catholic and lutheran church you can go to the restroom during serman or mass without askign permission. in the group you can't.

    Posted by: to Sandy Location: All about one man on May 24, 2008 at 02:25 PM
    --continued. Same thing with confessions. A member would stand up publically and say how they had sinned against God and ask for God's forgiveness. Now a member stands up and tells about a wrongdoing and asks Brother, not the Lord, for forgiveness. Tell me, who is getting the credit, respect and praise? The Lord or Brother?

    Posted by: to Sandy Location: All about one man on May 24, 2008 at 02:22 PM
    Sandy, the reason it is a cult is because it is all about one person. An example or two-in the earlier days of the group, when all the Bretheren were singing and praying before Brother entered the meeting room, Brother would wait to enter the room until the song had ended and he would discreetly and respectfully enter the room of praying congregants. Then it all of a sudden changed. Whenever the Bretheren were praying and singing onto God Brother would enter the room in mid-song, all the Bretheren would stop in mid-song and stand up as a sign of deep respect for Brother. Tell me, in this instance who is getting all the respect, Brother or the Lord? Another example: In the earlier days, whenever a good thing happened, the Bretheren would stand up in the meeting to publicly tell of the great things God has done. Same thing with confessions. A member would stand up publically and say how they had sinned against God and ask for God's forgiveness. continued--

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 24, 2008 at 02:03 PM
    I saw the broadcast, and I saw the door flung wide open to Mikel Lauber. I saw people inside engaging freely in conversation with him, though without knowledge of the hidden camera. It looked like a fair amount of time passedSome of us might like to blame Lauber for what transpired, but if I were a member in attendance, I would have serious issues with the planners and management of this event. The NCFS offers educational programs through their Education Outreach Program, one being, "How to Keep Your Event Safe", which might be valuable. I think that Come Share Your Secrets has a lot of responsibility when entering any community, not only for their own privacy, but for their own safety, and the safety and reputations of ALL Alternative Sexuality Lifestyles. I also think it behooves Come Share Your Secrets to hear and take seriously the child abuse, and (non-consensual)child and adult sexual abuse, alleged against the owner of the place you swing. ASL's can't afford the association.

    Posted by: FreeFromShawano Location: MN on May 24, 2008 at 12:35 PM
    Someone asked how former members who were very outspoken in defense of Rama could turn 180 degrees in their outlook. There are at least two reasons. The first is the radical change in Rama's teaching over the years. Cult experts call it the "bait and switch" technique. The only key heresy Rama taught in the early days was a denial of the Trinity. His teaching evolved into a blend of the Hindu culture, corrupted Christianity, and Rama's version of rabbinic Judaism. It was very legalistic and centered around Rama, not the Lord Jesus Christ. The second reason, for me at least, was the opening of my spiritual eyes to see the absurdity of our lives and the contrast between Rama's teaching and the truths that the apostle Paul taught in his epistles -- that for those of us that are regenerated, the Lord Jesus is our righteousness rather than following the 1000s of rules that Rama made and giving fervent devotion to him. Once I put a sign on our refrigerator saying "Cling to Brother." When I got out I changed it to "Cling to the Lord Jesus." See the difference? MY MIND WAS SET FREE! Those of you still in bondage to Rama -- ask the Lord Jesus to set your minds free. "If the Son shall set you free, you will be free indeed."

    Posted by: me Location: here on May 24, 2008 at 11:09 AM
    To Gail Josephina Goebbels So how come you are still alive? Surely with all the guns around, especially the SILENCER ones, you should have been history long ago. Don't flatter yourself, you definately are not the main interest in our lives.

    Posted by: Dale Location: Tomahawk on May 24, 2008 at 09:36 AM
    You entered a private setting by deceitful means, recorded then aired conversations without the knowledge or consent of the people you were talking to. No matter what the group is, or why they rented the motel, they paid to have a private setting. You violated their right to privacy with your recording and report. Actions like this are the reason people become defensive and sometimes even hostile whenever they see the press approaching. I believe it was totally unethical for you to have "gotten the story" the way you did. I will have nothing to do with WSAW or any of it's sponsors because they supported you in this report.

    Posted by: Please People Location: Everywhere on May 24, 2008 at 01:43 AM
    To all...there is a different place for all of us to take our bitter bickerings and/or positive thoughts. That's what the internet is for. To post comments to those who are bitter is to give them what they want. This should be for commenting on the motel controversy not for commenting on whether Cohen is a good man or a bad man. Who are we to judge? Everybody is good and bad. Some are too proud to admit.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 23, 2008 at 08:20 PM
    I didn't realize a hotel open to the Public was a private place. I didn't see any signs on the door saying PRIVATE PARTY!

    Posted by: Sandy Location: Shawano on May 23, 2008 at 07:26 PM
    Continuation- And all of my children were born in a hospital. And there has never been such child abuse ever in the whold history of this place and that is why no charges have ever been brought against the Doctor or anyone else. Anyone who really wants to know the truth sincerely has never been turned away. Then the 4th point-as to the businesses not in opperation--If the city of Shawano would stop being so predjudice because the Doctor doesn't have the same color of skin as they do and go to their Catholic and Lutheran Church and quit trying to destory every plan or proposition put before them this city could benifit greatly. I have been places where the whole city, men, women and children have got out to help in putting on a social event and WOW! what a difference it makes. Come on People get off your high horses and USE YOUR BRAINS!!!

    Posted by: Sandy Location: Shawano on May 23, 2008 at 07:15 PM
    Which brings me to the 3rd point. All these so called former members must be on a really big Guilt Trip and in order to calm themselves down they have to keep telling themselves lies to make themselves feel good. Gail is the biggest hypocrite I have heard on this whole broadcast--Cheating on her husband the way she did before he was killed in a car accident and filling her childrens minds with such stories that Zillah, Her daughter can even say such garbage. Mind you, I am not a person to talk about other people--what they want to do is their business but if she is going to open her mouth with such trash then she better clean up her own house. All the stories she has falsified are too much. I know because I was married to the man who was killed in a car accident with our little girl and he did not fall asleep from overwork as implied and I married another man whos former wife had died of kidney failure in a Hospital not under the stairway as implied. To BE Continued

    Posted by: Sandy Location: Shawano on May 23, 2008 at 07:03 PM
    2nd point-I am a mother of 10 children to date and we have lived in and around Shawano for over 20 years using your stores, libraries, banks ect.and working here. My husband and children have done work for many people in this community and we don't run around wearing any masks or hiding. We are not living any kind of secret life. We live and work for a living just like other people. Mike Schuler who seems so ignorant about what goes on has even inspected jobs where my husband and children have been. We don't hide ourselves or our childen. We just choose to be left alone as far as our religious beliefs are concerned because we have seen that people like you are always trying to twist the truth of what things really are into way out stories. And some I have read here are WAY OUT!

    Posted by: Sandy Location: Shawano on May 23, 2008 at 06:51 PM
    I would like to make a few corredtions to all this garbage that I have been reading and listening to. First of all I am a part of this group so many of you are freely calling a cult but let me tell you that in the United States where we so called have "Freedom of Religion" if you are not Catholic or Lutheran you are a cult--but let me ask you to use your brain a moment. Take all your classifications of what a cult is and put your Catholic or Lutheran church up for examination. I think you will be surprised!

    Posted by: koenig Location: shawano wi on May 23, 2008 at 06:37 PM
    i was detained while in my vehicle, while passing the compound two years ago. my car was blocked in from the front and back by three vehicles. i was very scared. People i know who live and work in places that the cult has bought out have all lost their jobs. this city is dying.

    Posted by: Anonymous Location: Shawano on May 23, 2008 at 06:26 PM
    I recall a girl mentioning a situation -- besides the swingers parties -- where people were unhappy with the service and condition of the hotel at their stay, complained, and received a viscious letter in return. For someone to stay at a hotel and have to put up with poor service and on top of everything else receive a rude letter...this is not how Shawano used to be when I was younger.

    Posted by: Tim Location: Wisconsin on May 23, 2008 at 06:26 PM
    Ed Whealon should share some of his computer secrets. I'd be willing to bet the community would be a bit surprised, right along with the newly elected sheriff Randal Wright.

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 23, 2008 at 06:23 PM
    Hi, Logic & Reason. The answer to why, if I was abusive to children, they did not just report me to Rama, is easy. Abuses at Rama's were not questioned. For all anyone knew, Rama had likely, personally, directed a particular behavior from someone, toward someone. Abuses were not deviant acts there; they were the base and context of the entire structure. To question the treatment someone else was getting, was to question Rama... and to question God. When and if Rama ever advised somebody to cease from a questionable behavior, or talk, it was because someone of lesser understanding, an inferior spirit or love for the Lord, might be present and then stir up trouble. It might be a silly example, but Steve was someone who always lived according to Scripture, and always worked hard, in himself, (and at great cost there), to reconcile Rama's teachings with Scripture. Rama could tell SOME of the Brethren they could shoot deer out of season, but not Steve; he was still bound to the Bible.

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 23, 2008 at 05:30 PM
    I called all my children out. I made the motion with my hands of rolling up their blankets and beckoned them to come. Rama intercepted me on the road. He told me not to make a scene. He told me to come back inside. I left. Glen called me later on to say that: If you ever speak publically about child abuse and Rama, I will come and camp out on your doorstep. Know what I mean? I knew what he meant. And there were and are still guns there. It used to be that I was afraid of every car behind me, while driving. I could not shake the fear that Rama was going to send one of the Brethren out to do harm to me and my children. I spoke with FBI and local law enforcement agencies at that time. I have, since then, spoken publically about life at Rama's many, many times. I always talk about the abuse of the children. Under the circumstances, I don't think it took me very long at all to speak up. I had begun before I left.

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 23, 2008 at 05:22 PM
    SNOW: Didn't Rama tell you? Before I left, I had begun to keep a little journal. It was a stenographer's notebook. There was not very much written it it because I was still afraid that I was even having questions about child abuse. How could one have thoughts about the abuse of children there without also (dangerously) slipping into bad thoughts about Rama himself? But, ask him to show it to you. Ask him to show you my entry which asks the whole question of my heart in those days: "Would the Hebrew people have treated their children like this?" It is because of the abuse of children that I left Shawano. I had my 9-mo old baby in my arms. I'd been breastfeeding her out behind the wall. When I walked back in, I saw someone with my next child, a 2-year old, lifted in her hands... off the ground... by his neck. She was shaking him for some naughtiness he'd commmitted during worship. That was it. It no longer mattered to me what the answer to my question about the Hebrew people was.

    Posted by: Logic & Reason Location: FL on May 23, 2008 at 04:52 PM
    SNOW, and all of the rest of you who can only respond to Gail's facts with attacks and rants about how its all lies...Wouldn't it just be more productive for you to counter with your own facts. Why don't you just counter with information about how you did spend your time in Shawano? What exactly did you do from Friday evening to early Monday morning? And speaking of contraditions...you have plenty. I believe you claim you never saw any abuses in Shawano yet now you claim that Gail committed so many atrocities against you. Which is it? And if Rama preaches peace and is anti-abuse, why didn't you just go an report her abuses to Rama? Come on, can't we all just use a little logic and reasoning here? Let's just hash out the facts and go from there! Gail has given you her facts...don't attack her. Just give your facts. You don't do yourself any favors by simply responding by attacking her. It makes you look like you have something to hide.

    Posted by: K Location: Wisconsin on May 23, 2008 at 04:34 PM
    How about getting back on topic here? My question is why did the esteemed reporter of Channel 7 illegally enter a private place? He was not 'led in'. He video and audio taped people without their consent. Perhaps when you have another interview with the police chief you should ask about privacy laws. What is Channel 7 going to do next; video tape what goes on in private homes as well?

    Posted by: SNOW Location: MN on May 23, 2008 at 03:47 PM
    Gail its funny how if you cared about your children so much why it took you so many years to come forward with these outrageous allegations. definetly sounds like the kind of abuse we had to put up from you and now you trying to blame it on someone else

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 23, 2008 at 03:11 PM
    Could YOU all start using YOUR real names too? Abused: I will keep talking, thank you. I find it interesting that you point out the age of my daughter at the time I left. Is this the same daughter someone else accused of doing the beatings with the electrical cord? I think it is. Now, who at Rama's could have authorized a 10 year old child to whip another person person there?

    Posted by: Abused Location: WI on May 23, 2008 at 02:07 PM
    Keep talking Gail, I thought you said in your affidavit there was never any abuse. LOL Now you say you did abuse! You trained your daughter well, problem is she was 10 when you left so she doesn't really remember much, and what she does remember, you twisted it around to target Dr. Cohen. But, go ahead and keep talking, looks like you'll slip up even more soon.

    Posted by: to hannah Location: Take a heed! on May 23, 2008 at 02:03 PM
    Take a heed to thyself. Hold thy children tight lest Rama covet them and take them as daughters onto himself.

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 23, 2008 at 01:54 PM
    Racism. We were driving in caravan through Chicago's inner city. Rama wanted us to see. A black man was walking on the sidewalk. His feet were wrapped in rags, literally. He was disheveled and physically dirty. His clothes were filthy, his hair unkempt. He was bowed forward in his upper back. Rama explained that NONE of us should have pity for him. He was black, and had reaped the rewards of his being. Black people and Native Americans are weak, as peoples, and far down in the sight of the Lord. It is why they have fallen so far in this world. Unlike the Jewish people, who are lifted up, elevated... by God. He told us that if we felt sympathy for that man, we would share in the Lord's judgement of him. Rama was good at highlighting the distinction between himself... and black people. And, my apologies for the use of "black" here to identify a people. It was to accurately reflect the spirit of things we were told.

    Posted by: Anonymous on May 23, 2008 at 01:21 PM
    Hannah? Do you even know what Lupus is? You need to watch your words more carefully here, too. You are verifying much.

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 23, 2008 at 01:13 PM
    All the followers of Rama here speaking, are speaking Rama's words anyway, so please just put him on. I would like to talk with him. I will go first. I will tell all the abuses I comitted against other people there in Shawano in exchange for the honest answer to ONE question: Did you ever use a cattle prod against the skin, anywhere on or in the body, of any of my children?

    Posted by: Hannah Location: MN on May 23, 2008 at 01:12 PM
    Dear Mike Lauber, You say you have tried to find out the truth. You say nobody will talk to you. The lies that Zeela and her mom have said even contradict themselves. In Gail's affidavit she says she was not aware of any physical abuse but yet Zeela and her mom are now saying yes there was abuse. I am Zeela's age, we all supposedly stayed in "one big room", yet me, nor any of my siblings were ever abused. Could it be that her mom was the abuser? My child has regular checkups as did I when I was pregnant. Also, Zeela says she was one of the first born in the group well I can name at least 20 children born before her. Everything in my previous comments is all public record documents, not underlying an affidavit. There is real proof. You said you want the truth, I gave you the truth, and now I dare you to tell the truth, prove and expose the lies in Gail's comments. Remember it is all actual public documented records. Not somebody's 15 minutes of lies and quest for fame.

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 23, 2008 at 01:00 PM
    I can just imagine all the telephone calls back and forth between you and Rama at this time! I remember when Eva left. Dozens of people spent hundreds of hours sitting on the red carpet, combing through every shred of paper and audio document to archive her past words and deeds. Rama used this to twist and shape the attack he created and authorized for the brethren to use if and when she ever spoke ill of him and the life there. That this has continued in form and practice, concerning all of us who've left, is no surprise. I know the things Rama says about me. I know you are obligated to repeat them. But, did he tell you, too.. that after Thor's death, he called me very late at night to talk about oral sex with me? Did he tell you the men who confessed their unclean thoughts to him, and then he sent me out with those same men, on errands? to work? to shower at the same time before meetings? Did he tell you that he counseled brethren who confessed sexual crimes to him to never tell?

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 23, 2008 at 12:40 PM
    If I was Mr Ben Abraham I would make even more ludicrous lies than those that were alleged of me. Then I would claim to be discriminated against because of my religious beliefs. But of course I would use my 3rd grade poddy mouth dictionary to get my language from. Ramabonics rules!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 23, 2008 at 12:20 PM
    Wow I can use a big word: pseudonym. Did you look that one up in the dictionary. Here is a link so you can actually learn some more words: www.dictionary.com look up liar. You might be perplexed! ooohhh I big boy is use 9 letter word. My words bigger than your. nananana. I'll meet you by the flagpole after school. Oh that's right you'll be busy working at Rama's businesses for FREE!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM
    I can't see past all the LIES. I hope I will be forgiven. I hath turned out just as Rama said I would. Maybe if I bow to him I will not go to hell. HAHAHA. I would rather burn in hell than bow to that piece of ****. Maybe you can figure out what **** means. Look it up in the dictionary!

    Posted by: Finally the truth Location: Shawano on May 23, 2008 at 11:33 AM
    I was wondering how long it would take for someone to point that out about the Mayors trial coming up in Wausau court against SIST. Awful suspicious, don't you think? Hopefully it can be moved to a different location. Obviously nobody in Wausau will be able to give fair judgment in this case. I am a member who left the group for many years and then came back, and have seen both sides of the fence regarding this small group. From previous experience, I know that the news channel will probably never air our comments that are pro, and if they do, it will be very fast; nothing like the press they have given the anti-group folks. More like 1 minute of air time pro vs many hours of air time con. Fair reporting though, covered both sides. Yessir...remember, we live in America, the home of the free! LOL.

    Posted by: response to anonymous Location: wi on May 23, 2008 at 11:02 AM
    What questions do you have I will answer them for you? Looks like to me Hannah has answered many questions and what she has said is true. So what do you have?

    Posted by: To "Ray White" Location: Chicago on May 23, 2008 at 10:47 AM
    Ray, I was in the same grade as your sister in School at Shawano. I remember you clearly and your sister. Maybe you should ask your sister what type of person I was because we were close friends. I can send her my birth certificate to prove to you that I was not in my 20s in high school, that I really was 18 years old when I graduated in 1999. Mentally handicap? Please explain? This is the sort of abuse I went through going to Shawano Schools. Ask your sister, her husband, and her friends how other students, like yourself, treated me. I got spit on me, shoved me into lockers, had me in tears everyday from your physical and mental/emotional abuse. If I was mental it was because of how people like you treated me in school. As far as mentally handicap, maybe ask the police department I worked at for years how mentally handicap I was? WSAW, this is the type of discrimination and harrassment I went through. Please feel free to report that.

    Posted by: Leave em alone! on May 23, 2008 at 10:11 AM
    They dont talk or answer questions because NO MATTER WHAT...whatever they say will be twisted and misquoted, parts of conversations will be kept out, etc...just to make them look even worse. If they try to defend themselves they are guilty and if they keep quiet they are guilty. THEY CAN NEVER WIN! Ya'll are just out to ruin them and will not be satisfied until it's done. Makes me so happy to live in America where certain people are free to have freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom from persecution, etc. If you dont fit 'normal' mold, you dont have these freedoms. Channel 7, good job in trying to taint the jury pool for the upcoming Mayor's trial; bring this topic up, scare the people, try to help the Mayor's case. It's how it always goes.

    Posted by: Guess Who on May 23, 2008 at 09:46 AM
    I agree with the posting on May 23 at 7:48 if you have nothing to hide why are you not all coming forward and explaining exactly what is happening. Why all the secrets, why is Rama never out in the front as the leader, he is always hiding in the shadows. Even way back when our parents were picketing at different locations - you never say rama out there with them. He just puts ever one else out in front. You (all current members) are all being set up to take the fall for what ever illegal activity he may be doing with out your knowledge. As far as all the lawyers (members)that are defending him, you know what you are doing for him is illegal. I really do feel bad for you. But no worries us ex members will come to your defence when you are on trial for helping him...... That is someone who truly cares about you.

    Posted by: Confused Location: Shawano on May 23, 2008 at 09:30 AM
    Please help me understand, we have been accused of "not answering" anything, and then when we do answer, we have been accused of "screaming because we have something to hide". As for "something bad and/or illegal" don't you remember from the previous episode where the police chief said there has been nothing? Do you honestly think that they would stand by while something illegal was going on if they had a chance to mess with us? Get real, we just mind our own business and keep to ourselves. Maybe you should take your suspicions and point them to the real problems in this world. Just because our women don't dress like yours, we don't go to your church, advertise for members, or believe how you believe, doesn't mean we are hiding something. Think about it this way, if you had a million dollars in your house, would you scream it to the world? That is how we value our beliefs. They mean something to us and we are not interested in sharing. LOL

    Posted by: false and fake Location: pretending on May 23, 2008 at 09:15 AM
    ummm...DR Cohen? Where did he get his degree? He's just a college dropout who's never had a job in his life. All he's done is just take advantage of gullible religious midwesterners. Since when has his family in India ever had the name Cohen like he stated to the court in Maryland for his name change. He stated that he wanted to change his name to his "Jewish heritage name" He's a liar and contriver to the core. Wake up people!

    Posted by: Happy Location: MN on May 23, 2008 at 08:55 AM
    Anonymous: What questions would you like answered, my dear?

    Posted by: Happy Location: MN on May 23, 2008 at 08:54 AM
    Mr. Ben Abraham: I must commend you on the appropriate choice of a pseudonym. I couldn't have done better myself. And by the way, why is it so strange that we all get so worked up about your lies? What if I publicly accused you of stealing or abuse or murder? What would you do? I suppose just smoke another joint and/or take another hit? At least you have a clue about your future. Don't bother to repent. Maybe you should pass on some of your insight to particular sibling(s) of yours. And keep waiting for your family to be "saved." You'll be waiting a long time.

    Posted by: To "The Devil" Location: Climbing out on May 23, 2008 at 08:48 AM
    Yes, I have trouble typing. I have to "ask" where the keys are all the time and I get confused on the words to put here because I am just a common "tunnel-digger" among the "mindless zombie cult." starvation diet has also made me so big around that I have to "ask" where to stick my shovel. Good thing you are not in front of me, or I might accidentally stick it "you know where" and I might need the "truth to set it free". After all, "he hath blessed me me" with "sleep deprivation" and I have trouble seeing what's in front of me too because my eyes were not "told what to do" and they got tired. They have a problem with "thinking for themselves" also, I guess. You know the reality, and you also know nobody on here posting these is "asking" anything. After all, we don't "watch the news, listen to the radio, or use a computer", right? This is all so foreign to us. "I better repent, lest I be cast into demons" also, for "trying to spew forth" unto "thee." LOL, add it up!

    Posted by: Anonymous Location: Wi on May 23, 2008 at 07:48 AM
    If there is nothing going on with this cult then why have they not answered any questions? Seems to be guilty of something. If there was nothing to hide then they would have no problem coming out and explain whats going on. You can go to any church out there and they will answer your questions with out hesitating because they have nothing to hide. With the way they hide and wont talk Im thinking something bad is going on there and/or ileagal.

    Posted by: To "I can't forget" Location: MN on May 23, 2008 at 07:12 AM
    How's the thumping going? I see you haven't changed one bit. LOL Hopefully thumping Nancy in more than one way will help you emotionally and take your mind off your little book of lies. After all "he saves", you know. And you can just ask forgiveness for your fornication, right? Give me a break, maybe I am not as "educated in the "bible" as you, after all I might just be a mindless zombie and brainwashed, etc. along with just a common tunnel digger among this "group". I don't fit in the tunnel though, my starvation diet has had strange effects on me and I am too big around to fit in it, so I made a shovel that can go in there for me. Oh yeah, "please forgive me for I know not what I do", do you think you could help me? I wanted to start digging a tunnel out of hell, and I have a lot of experience from being in this "cult" in tunnel digging, but the devil stole my shovel. What should I do? LOL Try to "get real, man" your "bible" still hasn't helped you

    Posted by: Anonymous on May 23, 2008 at 06:50 AM
    cont. to craziness- Do you not remember your own brother being spit on by other children at the order of RAMA? Think about! I think your mind has blocked out a few major details about your childhood. Way to many of us remember whether you want to or not. SO DON'T TELL US WE ARE ALL LYING. THERE ARE WAY TO MANY OF US TELLING THE SAME THINGS AND NO WE DON'T ALL TALK TO EACH OTHER. SO THERE IS NO GETTING TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE STORIES LINE UP.

    Posted by: black hawk Location: usa on May 23, 2008 at 06:48 AM
    Rama hates the catholic church but he has learned some wonderfull lessons from them like paying money to get your family out of purgatory. When a family memebr would leave the ramas, the family members who stayed would pledge money for their "lost" ones so that they would be saved. Collection plates are also a wonderful thing. rama hates all the christian churches but he sure loves the idea of a collection plate. o thats right, its a white BUCKET instead of a flat plate. That makes all the difference. Does Rama still collect money for the bus in india that should have been bought 15 years ago?

    Posted by: Figure it out on May 23, 2008 at 06:03 AM
    Boy everyone sure likes to judge people here too. So and so is tripping and smoking crack and sleeping around and doing such horrible things, yet the finger pointers are so blindsighted that the can not remember ever being hit or abused. You sure must have been such a angel that you we walking in the shoes of the GOD himself.

    Posted by: Libby Location: Europe on May 23, 2008 at 04:12 AM
    Why the concern over consenting sexual contact in a hotel?? There's probably a man or a woman cheating on their spouse in 1000's of hotels in the world each and every night of the year...here you have a likely small group of consenting HONEST adults, and you cry foul? Perhaps there are issues with the 'faith' and hypocrisy of the Rama group, although even that is not too well established in your expose', but protesting and reporting on consensual adults in a hotel?? You surely didn't have to leave your hometown for that one...

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 22, 2008 at 11:24 PM
    I find it funny how worked up you members get about so called lies. Especially when these lies coming from so many different people all speak of the same allegations. They must have all gotten together and made up these stories just to mess with Rama! It's all just a big conspiracy! That is why you're so sensitive. Because the truth hath been exposed! I better repent lest I be cast to the demons!

    Posted by: Ray White Location: Minneapolis, MN on May 22, 2008 at 11:13 PM
    I grew up in Shawano and went to school with a couple of the children that belonged to the cult. What I saw was the children were borderline mentally handicapped and were all in special education classes. I am no expert, but I think they were inbreeding. They would were in their early 20's and only junior level in high school. Nice people, just very secretive.

    Posted by: FreeFromShawano on May 22, 2008 at 11:08 PM
    Gail's husband Thor was not the only young man in the cult that died in a head-on crash due to sleep deprivation. Mike and Wayne also fell asleep at the wheel and paid for it with their lives. Wayne's little daughter died with her father. Sleep deprivation is a common technique used by cult leaders, as is the case with Rama. Twice I fell asleep at the wheel and woke up just in time to miss 18-wheelers by inches. Even though I was deluded along with the other cult members, many of us have received an abundance of grace from the Lord, although 'grace' was a word that was forbidden and a concept rejected by Rama early on. I am convinced, though, that the Lord loves 'the brethren,' many of whom have a very sincere desire for God, and that His heart aches to see the deception that they are in. In time they will be delivered.

    Posted by: A Location: WI on May 22, 2008 at 11:05 PM
    I find all this bickering Ignorant. Why do people put so much stock in this story whether it be about Rama or the Secrets parties? When in our society there is so much more we need to worry about!!! Live your own life, believe your own beliefs, and quit trying to judge others. For those of you who believe these things are wrong, GOOD for you. But you are also committing a sin by judging people unfairly. Live your own lives and get off your soap boxes. Don't put your noses where they dont belong, because remember you too will be judged. Everyone needs something to believe in, and just because it is not your belief does not mean it is wrong. Take the time you are wasting on all this nonsense and put it towards your own lives and families and boy wouldnt the world be a better place!! TO EACH HIS OWN.

    Posted by: CULT MEMBER SUPPORTER Location: SHAWANO on May 22, 2008 at 11:01 PM
    Wow the hate going on here is crazy. First of all I would like people that really dont have a clue as what to believe or not belive a clue. I was born an raised in Shawano and have gone to school with many members of the "cult." They were and are some of the smartest most well behaved kids i have and had ever seen. Now I am married and have a small child. I live right next door to a "cult member" and am glad to live there. Well i am not a member of this group I am glad to live next to this person so that my son can grow up to see that these people are more human that most. I have been supporting all of their gas stations and other buissnesses since they started and love the poeple that work there. And if they dont get paid how in the world can they afford to live? My neighbor always seems to have money and i truly doubt their handin it out. And if they are wheres the line? All i can say is go meet these people first hand...they are jst plain awesome...keep it up!!!!!!!

    Posted by: Sick Location: Wausau on May 22, 2008 at 10:58 PM
    Hate - stop & think of that word. Free Will - stop & think of what that means. Judgement - who has the right to judge? Every man & woman in this world has free will so guess what you make a bad decision, you live with that choice. Who can you blame for the decision you made - YOURSELF. Part of what is wrong with this world is the fact it is easier to blame someone else for your decisions than stepping up & taking owernship of what you did good or bad. With all the fingers pointing & all the hate spewing from people it is a wonder we aren't more screwed up than what we are. As far as the hotel parties, who cares. They aren't telling people they have to come it is a persons choice. The are behind closed doors making a choice to share themselves with friends in whatever way they decide. So people stop whining & take some responsiblity for your actions. If you don't believe in what your doing - don't do it. We are taught to hate what we don't know lets teach tolerance instead.

    Posted by: FreeFromShawano on May 22, 2008 at 10:48 PM
    To 'Also Happy Location': Actually, it was not the Bible I quoted, but an old song we used to sing. But I do read the Bible and thank God for it, because for one reason it was through reading the whole Bible that I discovered Rama's teaching comes directly from THE PIT OF HELL, and gave me the strength to leave the cult. The apostle Paul said that if anyone preaches any other gospel than what he taught, 'let him be accursed.' Do you understand what that means, 'Also Happy Location'? It means 'LET HIM GO TO HELL.' The Lord is not willing that any should perish, so I hope that Rama repents from his false gospel and comes crawling to the foot of the cross which he has mocked.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 22, 2008 at 10:43 PM
    To: You know who...you seem to know an awful lot about those drugs you speak of! That must be why you can't even type every word you try to spew forth!

    Posted by: Hannah Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 10:36 PM
    Gail, response to your 2nd ridiculous posting - did you expect parents to bury their baby somewhere among the "good" citizens of Shawano? Maybe expect them to fly home in a helicopter or something? Bob and Bobbie's baby has a birth & death certificate and died in the hospital and by the got permission from the state to bury the baby where they did - check the records. And now you're talking about members being planted in governmental agencies? WOW! Which members, if I might ask? This is news. Racism? We've experienced the ultimate discrimination so you're way off there too. Dr. Cohen has always spoken of peace. Here you are advocating violence and spewing some horrible things that were done in the middle ages. Didn't you read those books - Once again, you have your facts wrong. There was no abuse except by you - thank goodness you left.

    Posted by: me Location: here on May 22, 2008 at 10:33 PM
    To Gail "Josephina Goebbels". Sounds like you are ready to start a new holocaust. When will the "Protocols of Shawano" be hitting the bookstores? Kudo's to the fine job you've done on raising a wonderful actress who can look at the camera dead-on and spew out all the lies her mama told her. Your hatred has manifested itself in your offspring. What fortunate children to have a mother that cares soooooooo much she can't let a day go by without injecting her venom into their veins.

    Posted by: Hannah Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 10:14 PM
    It's a funny thing I remember completely different facts to the situations you are pointing out below. First, funny thing is a majority of traffic accidents occur from people driving tired and having accidents and they don't blame them on a cult or their church. Second - Lori wrapped her baby too tightly which suffocated the baby, it had nothing to do with the cold weather. Third, Diane died in the hospital, not where you claim she did and it had nothing to do with lupus, it was from kidney failure and pneumonia. And Bill died at home in his own bed. You need to get your facts straight before you start accusing people of doing things. After all these years your brain is still warped. If anybody was abusive, it was your daughter. Ask her how many marks she left on other children pinching and hitting them? Ooops, thats right, selective memory.

    Posted by: andy Location: shawano on May 22, 2008 at 10:12 PM
    con man!!!!! rama, your doomed...your full of crap. does'nt matter how many times you change your name, your still doomed..you have done enough to shawano, god bless the courage that channel 7 had to air this thank you, go back to india, where you came from..

    Posted by: what Location: hawaii on May 22, 2008 at 10:10 PM
    what a load of crap what ever happened 2 free thinking in America??? i personally thought those pamphlets about your BELOVED mayor where freaking hilarious lol. and to gail and zeella i hope you enjoyed your 5 minutes of fame and all the lives you are trying to ruin. nice job idiots. what a bunch of dweebs who have nothing else better to do with their time.

    Posted by: My Cherished Life on May 22, 2008 at 09:44 PM
    Oh Gail...I remember you and your children fondly. You were one of the wicked mothers whom everyone hated because SHE herself bestowed abuse on her own and other people's children. So now maybe the guilt has gotten to you and the only way for you to deal with youself is to blame Dr Cohen? Dr Cohen obviously did not agree with you because I remember you getting told to leave other people's children alone! Why dont you get on with your life instead of constantly dragging these people through the gutter where you lay writhing in self pity and destruction. One day, we will ALL know the truth and I guarantee it will NOT be your version. Another thing...you should really not go spewing lies about people because you youself have a life full of deceptions and a history of ruining marriages as the other woman.

    Posted by: Loser Location: IL on May 22, 2008 at 09:34 PM
    It is nice to every once in awhile read a logical quote. So here's one for you Naomi:

    Posted by: To concerened Location: Shawano on May 22, 2008 at 08:35 PM
    Does that old lady that sits up front of his "compound" in that white car really have a gun? WOW! I wonder if she can hit anything, or can she even see straight enough to shoot it? Seems to me that you are lying. I've driven by there myself and the most I ever got was a traffic stop because I threw some garbage out. All legitimate at the time, although I was a little ticked off about it. My suggestion, leave them alone, and they will leave you alone. As for guns, I drive by there several times a day because I live and work close by, and hardly ever even see cars there, except for on Sundays, let alone guns and all the other crazy accusations. If you want to "get them" you should try something a little more truthful so you don't look so obvious like you are lying.

    Posted by: L on May 22, 2008 at 08:29 PM
    It's funny how all the x-members are still quoting things that they learned while in Shawano.. Apparently they must have agreed with some of it else they wouldn't have bothered to remember it!! Strange how that works isn't it. I am wondering if what makes you all so uncomfortable IS the fact that you can't forget it. Well I hope you all keep squirming because you wouldn't be if you knew it was all a lie. You would be doing your own thing, worrying about your own lives and not about MINE! You obviously were able to leave so I think I am capable enough to choose that path too, if I so desire. So let us live our lives and you can go and live yours. Much obliged madams and sirs!!!

    Posted by: wiser Location: wi on May 22, 2008 at 08:28 PM
    to gail you are the meanest person i have ever known you used to pull my ears and kick me for pure pleasure and then go pick on another little child so go burn in hell

    Posted by: L on May 22, 2008 at 08:22 PM
    GAIL- alot of people have opinions .. ex. the Catholic Church used racks on heretics and Jews.. pulled fingernails out..etc. Nazi's burned people in crematoriums.. shot people point blank.. toyed with them before they died.. etc... DO YOU RECALL US EVER PLAYING THE GAME OF HANG THE NUN.. nope! didn't think so.

    Posted by: To Gail Location: WI on May 22, 2008 at 08:22 PM
    No wonder I remember you as a mean b****. If this is what you were teaching your kids, thank G*D you left Shawano and none of my siblings had to deal with you. Dr. Cohen has never advocated violence, and in fact, has been very vocal against it. Such is the reason I put up with so much public abuse and namecalling when I was in public school. This abusive trend towards us though from the general public needs to stop. It is called discrimination. Obviously Gail, you have watched too many horror movies while tripping, that explains the rest of your families problems.

    Posted by: L on May 22, 2008 at 08:14 PM
    I'm sorry GAIL but I have been there 21 years now and I have never heard him tell us that we should gut nuns and hang them from trees.. but it sounds like you are very imaginative.. good work NOT!!

    Posted by: L on May 22, 2008 at 08:11 PM
    Maybe I should sue xmembers for loss of joy of life like Lorna because I am feeling abused by the vehement comments made back to our defense.

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 07:38 PM
    I think it is the people of Come Share Your Secrets who might like to dissociate themselves from Rama.

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 07:37 PM
    ... Ask Rama about the baby buried without birth nor death certificate on the property of Bob and Bobbie. Ask Rama if he ever directed the parents with a dead baby in their arms to drive from Shawano, WI to Rochester, MN so the death would NOT be associated with Shawano. Judging by the content of some of these comments, it seems the intellectual level of his followers, and the quality of his parroted defenses, have dropped greatly over the years. You shame him by such idiocy. Anyone who says they never saw abuse there is lying. And members now planted with abused childrens' advocacy agencies and organizations is a sham. Charges of racism? Rama spoke more ill of people of color in our hearing than I'd ever known in my life before him. Brethren were taught to gut nuns. Hang them upside-down by their feet, slash them open from ribcage to pubis and pull the entrails out to the ground. Do not tell us there was no abuse. I know what happened to my children there.

    Posted by: Steamed Barb Location: MN and WI on May 22, 2008 at 07:34 PM
    You obviously missed my post to you when you called yourself Susie. "In response to susie, Whenever someone in my family dies and they live in another state I publish it in the Shawano paper and then bury them in your back yard, and then build a wooden tomb around them with all of my extra lumber, while using all of my generators to power the backhoes, saws, and everything else that is needed to bury them there without your knowledge. Get real, do you really know everyone in Shawano? Do all these people that supposedly belong to this group really all live at this no-walled "compound"? Definition of compound ": a fenced or walled-in area containing a group of buildings and especially residences" Merriam-Webster" Oh yes, I almost forgot to add that I just might be brainwashed and not be able to think for myself, also. Didn't the newscaster say that they were from all parts of the country? Helllllo.LOL

    Posted by: You know who Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 07:22 PM
    TO "THE DEVIL" DUUUUUDE, you need to lay off the acid man, if you are into substances, try some green first to chill out, wash out the cottonmouth with a few beers, then try some white powder to kick it in high again, only try to be more productive. This "medication" should stop all of the halucinations and make you a little busier; hopefully doing something productive and truthful. MAIN THING THOUGH DUDE, LAY OFF THE ACID. If you need obtaining some of this stuff, I know your older brother can get it for you, or maybe your mother can also. As for your sister, she just has a "SMALL" problem of unfaithfulness, oviously an inherited trait. LOL

    Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 07:19 PM
    My thanks to Mikel Lauber and WSAW for these broadcasts. People who care about truth and justice, in more places than Shawano, should be concerned about Rama and all The Secrets. Hannah, funny you should answer so readily to Barb with such concrete marriage, birth and death counts. My husband's was one of those deaths on Hwy 29 which you mention. He fell asleep at the wheel of our vehicle on his way home from work in Green Bay one morning. He worked all night at his worldly employment, and all day long at Rama's... with only a couple hours of sleep. But, you missed a few other deaths. Lori's baby who suffocated in blankets on that cold night when we were made to sleep in our cars; Diane, who laid under Rama's staircase screaming for help and we were all told to ignore her as she died from Lupus without dialysis; Bill, who laid on Rama's kitchen floor having seizures during meetings while Rama spoke the word of the Lord and everyone sang worshipful songs of the Lord on the red carpet.

    Posted by: concerned Location: Shawano on May 22, 2008 at 06:59 PM
    I completely agree with Barb!! Most of you don't live in Shawano.. you have no idea what is going on. Why are there cars parked on their property with guns pointed out the windows (and yes,ive seen them with my own eyes). They even chased another news channel out of town 2 years ago, literally "in their vehicles". Or why have young members my age told me about the abuse-lying-what for? Why are they allowed to have underground tunnels, not pay their taxes, take over businesses and put my community members out of work? They even made horrible pamplets about our mayor, they were ignorant and childish -complete lack of respect for the community that houses you. I have grown up in Shawano, and I feel driven out. I am not going to live in a town where this cult can get away with absolutely anything-its ludacris. Thank you so much WSAW for posting these segments! At least I am not alone.

    Posted by: To the dear steamed BARB! Location: WI on May 22, 2008 at 06:39 PM
    Well for your info maam if people dont live at the "coumpound" then you really cant have deaths there right? Or am I mistaken? Other TV stations have tried to report on this so called cult but there is no information worth getting about them! LOL People have to make up lies to falsely accuse someone of doing wrong. They get married where they live and have babies at the hospitals in there town. I guess thats not normal they must be a cult. Can some people please tell me the meaning of a cult so we can clarify the meaning? Some people really dont understand what one is, (the ingorant media and the people that are getting $100.00 for a false dvd LMAO you guys are idiots). You really need to read real news like our wonderful president sending all of our soldiers to fight a war for nothing! Why read the lies that the DEVIL tells you nice source(Devil) We can already tell what kind of person devil is well he's from hell first of all. Nice source Channel 7 Keep up downgrading WSAW!!!

    Posted by: Mandolin Location: Kauai on May 22, 2008 at 06:37 PM
    Where in the world is WAUSAU, WI? Does it happen to be near Silicon Valley where your iPod was developed? (Let me know if you don't know what that is.) Does it happen to be near Harvard, Johns Hopkins, or Princeton...hence the seat of intellectuals? Does it happen to be near Myanmar or Beijing, where there is actually something worthwhile to report? Does it happen to be near TX where perhaps you could let us know the private life of President Bush? Does it happen to be near a university medical facility that has a cure for cancer? Does it happen to be near Beverly Hills where there are actually some celebrities to see? Or perhaps it's on the other side of the ocean near Madrid and there are actually some breathtaking views? Or near Moscow? I'm only guessing but from what I gather, WAUSAU, WI really has nothing better going on--it needs to find excitement in even smaller neighboring towns. My recommendation to the reporter: Go get a life.

    Posted by: Hannah Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 06:24 PM
    Barb, Funny you bring this up. As a matter of fact check the marriage records in Shawano county. In the past two years, people have gotten married in Shawano county. I myself had a baby in Green Bay. Check the records in Green Bay, three of my sister in laws have had babies in either Green Bay or Milwaukee. I choose to have my baby in Green Bay because I don't trust the "good" people of shawano. Check the records, one of our brethren did die in the Shawano hospital, and one died in a Green Bay hospital, and one in a neighboring nursing home. Two also had accidents on Hwy 29 and were killed. There are records for all of their death. Can you blame them for not wanting to be burried in such a dirty town? I would want my body to be taken home to. As for more marriage records, I was married in Minnesota and am a little puzzled as to why the good people of Shawano needed to record it. Thanks for having the "guts" to bring this up again, other people have but forget over time,old age you know

    Posted by: barb Location: shawano on May 22, 2008 at 05:44 PM
    I am "really" steamed!!! Most of these comments are from people who don't live in Shawano and don't have to deal with these people. I have done so for the past 30 years! I have a couple of interesting questions.....don't the members of this "cult" ever die? Don't they ever "marry"? Don't they ever have babies? Public records, say "NOT!" Ask a local funeral home...how many have you buried?? Hummmm..is that why they do alot of digging out there in the Town of Wescott? As far as their business'.....most of the time their don't have a permit to sell, or they don't have money to pay for gas to put in their pumps. Thank you for the "guts" to bring this up again....other TV stations have tried and it all falls by the wayside.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 22, 2008 at 05:06 PM
    WOW!

    Posted by: Open Minded Old Lady Location: Wausau on May 22, 2008 at 05:00 PM
    I have been involved with alternative lifestyle groups in WI since the 90's. My husband and I are married 26 years and very happy. We occasionally attend meetings around our state. At each meeting we have met wonderful Christians, doctors, lawyers, therapists, and all classes of people in between. The swinger groups are a wonderful bunch of fun loving folks. They are every day people who are truthful in their relationships instead of lying and cheating on each other. When you have honesty in a relationship, you have a rich, loving relationship. There are middle to later age men and woman who have to sneak around, lye and cheat on their partners. To me, that is the wrong way to love one another. Now if you have an open honest relationship you don't need to have fear that you're going to loose your partner. Visiting the adult groups in our state has added so much to our own relationship in so many ways. I am thankful we can find places to go, observe, maybe have some fun and thats ok.

    Posted by: wiser Location: wi on May 22, 2008 at 04:43 PM
    to nancy reeks your kids are so happy that you are gone now thay don't have to deal with a old winy lady

    Posted by: wiser Location: wi on May 22, 2008 at 04:19 PM
    to the concerned looks like the fat orangatan is using you as puppet to

    Posted by: Also Happy Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 04:17 PM
    Free From Shawano-I know who you are, still quoting the Bible, as always.

    Posted by: Crazyness Location: Abound on May 22, 2008 at 04:10 PM
    anyone who says that no one in the group does ANYTHING without permission from Mr Cohen is grossly exaggerating the situation. I was raised in this group and have since left, gotten married and had my own children. Anyone who has been a part of this group honestly knows that plenty of us did things of our own free will, right or wrong. It was only when life threw us difficult choices that we asked for guidance. Most of us that were raised in Sh are decent and productive members of the American society! Those of you who have chosen to spew lies are only blaming an innocent man and community for your OWN failings and need to really build a bridge and get over it. None of my siblings nor I were EVER abused there and I NEVER saw such abuse. To blame a whole congregation for one or two people's criminal acts, is like making the WHOLE Catholic religion guilty for the abuse visited millions! Stop making up lies! And shame on you WSAW for being a part of futhering this harassment!

    Posted by: Also Happy Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 03:51 PM
    The Devil--I don't need your truth to set me free. NO THANK YOU! Judge away! What are YOU going to do to me. I am a happily married member who minds my own business and thinks for myself. My free thinking mind knows that "the Lord hath blessed me" and I have everything I need and I fully intend to raise my children with the same morals and character I was raised with. I know that they will benefit from this and turn out even more accomplished than their parents. You must be a very Simon Legreeish type of person. You have a fetish about YOUR money. Good for you. You have 2 cents in your pocket and you have to tell the world about it. BTW, once the party starts, the partiers stay in their part of the motel and anyone who leaves has to be clothed. Besides, next time you walk down the street take a look at how many half-naked women you see. I am proud that I was raised knowing how to dress decently.

    Posted by: M Location: V on May 22, 2008 at 03:47 PM
    First of all, this is a business. If a group of people wants to rent a bunch of hotels for whatever reason, since when is it really good business to say, "And what will you be doing in these rooms?" THEY ARE RENTING! It's none of the owners business what they are doing in there as long as no one is breaking the law. And last I knew it is not against the law to engage in consentual sex with people, married or not. How is this any different than a married spouse going out cheating and the law says nothing. It is absolutely absurd how much discrimination and evil this group has always been and always will be up against simply because they are 'different'. There is ONE Judge! And not ONE of you are that judge! Get on with your lives and stop finding reasons to make these people's lives hell!!!!!

    Posted by: Anonymous on May 22, 2008 at 03:36 PM
    With a name like "The Devil" you family may not want to be around you. Your true colors are showing. And your statement Judge not lest thee be judged. What do you think you are doing? Oh certainly not judging.

    Posted by: Confused by Concerned's Comment Location: Everywhere on May 22, 2008 at 02:40 PM
    Concerned: I dont understand, are they suppose to talk about what lies are being told, or be quiet and let other scream lies? The title of this program is Secrets in Shawano and what you are implying is they are not keeping secrets but "screaming" loudly because they have something to hide. Can you please explain to me what you mean because it's kinda contradictory.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 22, 2008 at 02:23 PM
    This group and Rama will always be my BUSINESS until I have my family back and he is rotting jail for everything he has done! The TRUTH will set you FREE! Judge not lest thee be judged. Well guess what now it's your turn to be judged. Who are the HEATHENS really?

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 22, 2008 at 02:20 PM
    So am just supposed to assume that nobody works at the hotel while these "private parties" are going on. I am ignorant because I think that the hotel is staffed at all times. You would be ignorant if you didn't staff your place of business at all times. And from what I have seen there are naked/half naked people all over the hotel. So unless the staff there just leave or close their eyes the whole time...somebody must be seeing something. So ALSO HAPPY maybe I will go to Hawaii and lay on the beach...sounds like a nice vacation. and just think I could go there and spend MY money without asking Rama. The lord hath blessed me with a free thinking mind and I prefer to use it!

    Posted by: Guess Who on May 22, 2008 at 02:12 PM
    At one time I thought Rama and the brethren had morals. I guess you don't anymore. Lie, cheat, steal, do what ever it is you want. I am so glad I am not there to be involved in all this. At least I don't associate with people that allow sex parties to take place in their hotels and call themselves Disciples of Jesus Christ. Also and by my leaving I have in turned saved my kids from being abused, turned against me, or used for slaves in what ever business Rama sends them to. I feel bad for the ones that have to clean the hotel after the sex parties. I sure hope it isn't young children in cleaning them.

    Posted by: Concerned Location: Shawano on May 22, 2008 at 02:01 PM
    I have been reading all the blogs, I am not a member of the cult nor am I a former member of the cult. Great job Channel 7 for reporting the real truth on the "cult". Believe me they are just scratching the surface about this bunch of hipocrites. I hope that Channel 7 continues to investigate and report about this group and their activities. Those who scream the loudest have the most to hide.

    Posted by: I can't forget on May 22, 2008 at 01:31 PM
    OPEN LETTER TO ALL RAMA FOLLOWERS who are being told that the sex parties are ok, as long as you are not participating: PLEASE THINK! Q: Where do you go when you die? A: Heaven or Hell. Q: Where do all fornicators go? A: To Hell (if they don’t repent). Q: Is Rama helping all his customers go to Heaven or to Hell? A: To Hell. Q: What has happened to Rama? When I attended his meetings in the 1970s, he claimed to be a minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. No minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ would help people go to Hell! Q: What has happened to Rama? A: He has fallen into deep deception and has become a tool of the devil, helping people go to Hell. RAMA SHOULD BE SCARED TO DEATH. He needs to repent of his sins and pray for mercy so he won’t go where all his customers may go as a result of his new teachings. FATHER, FORGIVE HIM FOR HE KNOWS NOT WHAT HE IS DOING!

    Posted by: jan Location: gillett on May 22, 2008 at 01:22 PM
    mr. Lauber how can I get Secrets in Shawano parts one and 2? Thank you

    Posted by: Also Happy Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 01:19 PM
    The Devil--"Working these sex parties . . . watch all the fornicating" WOW! Shows how ignorant you are. They are PRIVATE parties! Nobody else except members of the club are allowed in. IDIOT! Kinda hard to work the party when you're not even in the building. Keep implying all you want. Another insecure, unhappy individual. Suggestion: If you're so happy with yourself, mind you're own business, go enjoy your "freedom" and lay on the beach in Hawaii. It would be a much better waste of your time.

    Posted by: citizen Location: Shawano on May 22, 2008 at 01:12 PM
    I live in Shawano, grew up here, and yes people are scared/concerned about what goes on. I think it's human nature to be scared of what you don't know or understand. I have not seen anything in these reports that are untrue (except maybe the attorney saying that Shawano loves RAMA, give me a break), and they are keeping the coverage balanced on both sides. I went to school with a few kids from that group, they were quiet kids but not bad kids at all. Where they are now and what they do I have no clue. It's concerning to say the least when you see dump trucks constantly moving dirt around and nothing being built, houses covered in tarps, people waiting for some unsuspecting person to drive by, so they can yell at you for driving past their property (even though your on a public road) Keep up the good work Channel 7, Scared and concerned people want to know

    Posted by: FreeFromShawano on May 22, 2008 at 01:01 PM
    Yes times, change, people change, but don't you remember this song we used to sing? Yesterday, today, forever, Jesus is the same!-- All things change, but Jesus never, Glory to His Name!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 22, 2008 at 12:58 PM
    To VERY STABLE: you are only assisting in turning this into a jerry springer episode. so why are you even making comments...mmmmm. sensitive much?

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 22, 2008 at 12:22 PM
    Man I so wish I was invited to one of these sex parties...where morals run low and std's run high. Wow it's okay because we are not involved in the sex parties...we just take their money. Rama must be getting really desperate. How much money do these workers make hourly while they are working these sex parties. Oh yeah that's right nothing for if they shall worketh for free the lord shall bless them...and on the SABBATH! WOW! I bet these workers are glad to be working on these nights...because they aren't getting paid any other night but at least they get to watch all the fornicating...must be a nice change of pace. I have nothing against any of the followers...well maybe a select few. But I do feel sorry for all of them. Rama is very good at manipulating people's minds. Just glad he didn't taint mine with his propaganda. This whole thing is summed up with one word! WOW!

    Posted by: K Location: Wisconsin on May 22, 2008 at 12:11 PM
    Since when does a business owner put their personal beliefs first? So a movie theater owner that is 'Christian' maybe shouldn't have R-rated movies showing? Or perhaps a person who doesn't drink alcohol can't own a bar... Think about it!

    Posted by: Very stable person Location: Japan on May 22, 2008 at 12:08 PM
    This news channel posting site is ending up like the Jerry Springer show LOL. Why doesn't this news channel go investigate something more worthwhile. If you really want to learn about cults,... Investigate the biggest cult in modern history.. You figure it out. Hint: The Catholic Church. Why isn't the Vatican ever investigated? What do they do with all the babies the socall virgins (NUNS) have? Oh and the priests are the daddies. And then they rape there own boys but thats alright though they are catholics, GOD forgives them. Talk about brainwashing. There is no other cult as dangerous in the world where they try to take over an conquer lands. They kill you if you do not believe what they tell you, talk about brainwashing! Now the media is trying to brainwash the citizens, make them believe that these people are bad, there maybe the cult covering up something they did, what really goes o behind closed doors at channel 7? People get the picture! They are covering something up!!!!

    Posted by: Freed from Rama on May 22, 2008 at 11:37 AM
    HAHAHA, way to go "I can't forget" You hit the nail on the head!!! LOL

    Posted by: Happy Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 11:08 AM
    To "I can't forget"-I am a "member" and I do think. I think that you are another one of those insecure individuals who cannot deal with anything outside of your comfort zone. Ever heard of "the times, they are achangin'"? People change, times change. You obviously changed--from a slightly normal person to a ranting blabbermouth.

    Posted by: I can't forget on May 22, 2008 at 10:45 AM
    YES! I remember all those teachings! NO coffee, NO tea, NO pop, NO candy, NO chocolate, NO gum, NO popcorn, NO Pope-food (pizza & spaghetti), NO snacking, NO junk-food, NO pants for women, NO sandals, NO tennis shoes, NO cutting women’s hair NO makeup, NO dating, NO swimming, NO bicycles, AND DO NOT GO TO THE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES BECAUSE CHRISTIANS ARE EVIL!!! BUT…now, on Sunday afternoons in “RAMA’S MEETING ROOM,” he sells cappuccino, fudge, gum, various types of cheap junk candy, soda pop, and all the outdated chips and other junk food from the gas stations. WHY? Because “All the brethren buy it anyway, so they might as well buy it in the meeting room so the profit will go to ‘THE SCHOOL’.” (WHAT SCHOOL???? Oh, the one that will be built after Rama’s house filled with mirrors, fountains and marble floors is completed, and his weekly plane tickets, fresh fish and sumptuous meals are paid for.) AND…TO SAY THE LEAST, I am appalled at what I hear is going on at the Best Western motel. Question for all the Rama followers: How can you condone the radical difference between Rama’s former teachings and his current behavior? WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE??? THINK!!!

    Posted by: Wow on May 22, 2008 at 10:42 AM
    Wow I also have attended these parties it sounds like Shawano does not like tourist, costumers to attend it business or even people from out of town to come and spend there money here. But you know what I will still continue to attend these parties and go to any other business that the group owns but any other store no thank you. For Shawano residents to have an attitude like that will bring this town down very fast. I would surely hate to live in the town. Glad I don’t!!!!!

    Posted by: Gentle Location: Shawano on May 22, 2008 at 10:32 AM
    I've lived in the Shawano area most of my life and I never realized that it was a community of Saints. I have known for a long time however that it is a community of hypocrites. I was still taken aback by St. Mike of Schuler's comments as I remember the days when he didn't lead such a saintly life himself.

    Posted by: RE: Guess Who on May 22, 2008 at 10:30 AM
    And after all the nasty things you have to say you still say "we". Dont put yourself in the same category, you apparently want nothing to do with them and no doubt the feeling is mutual. Keep posting stuff it helps your typing skills

    Posted by: L on May 22, 2008 at 10:21 AM
    What is the need for rationalization .... it's a motel what motels do is rent out rooms so that is what they are doing.. It's like a Jewish person selling pork.. just because they are doesn't mean they eat it or have anything to do with it. It's business.. So if say Walmart's owner doesn't believe in Protestants- what are they going to do shut the doors to them HAHAHAH .. don't think so. You'd do the same thing.

    Posted by: Also Happy Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 09:55 AM
    Dennis Holbert-please explain your comments in layman's language. what exactly do you hope "the lambs" to be delivered from?

    Posted by: CEW Location: wisconsin on May 22, 2008 at 09:47 AM
    Pretty sad when the pot calls the kettle black...I would like to preface my comment by saying I am a fan of living by bible standards. These people (and most everyone else) choose not too. But a news story??? Go to any bar on friday or saturday, or how about a college campus and *oh my* you will see consenting adults partying, drinking and having sex outside of marrige. This story is a joke, if your going to point the finger at them then we need to report on all the people who live toghether and have intercourse before marrige because ITS THE SAME THING. Same with strip clubs, gays...the list goes on. Waste of a tv report.

    Posted by: FreeFromShawano Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 09:41 AM
    What a brilliant lawyer Rama has! He tells us “And one thing's for sure: Avraham Cohen has absolutely nothing to do with it. He doesn't even know about it. It has not been discussed with him." And then Mr Eisenberg goes on to admit that "I have not spoken to him about it." If he has not spoken to Rama about it, how can he make those rediculous assertions? All of Rama's followers do nothing without his direction. It is inconceivable that those sex parties were allowed to be held in his motel without his approval.

    Posted by: Anonymous on May 22, 2008 at 09:20 AM
    My question is what is the big deal about the parties? I live in Chicago and these type of parties are everywhere but are private and go all night, hence the reason for being "private". It's not just Chicago, when I lived in Green Bay; at least one of my friends was having a Pure Romance Party every week. It was all there was to do in Green Bay, party and drink. Come on now, this is not anything new. This is what we see on TV everyday. Now something I do find shocking, the news showed the video tape of R. Kelly having sex with a minor on TV!!! Plus, they gave all the sick details about it. Now who wants to see and hear that? But nobody complained about it, but people in Wisconsin are going to complain about something happening out of sight. Go figure.

    Posted by: Also Happy Location: MN on May 22, 2008 at 08:53 AM
    To "The Devil"-We "anonymous group members" don't need to rationalize anything for you. If someone wants to have a sex party at a hotel, what is that to me? I'm not taking part in the party. Nobody I know is taking part in the party. If people feel the need to take a vacation and do whatever they want and they are not hurting anybody what do I care? Are you maybe feeling a bit rejected b/c nobody invited you to a sex party?

    Posted by: Guess Who on May 22, 2008 at 07:01 AM
    Are you crazy Rama knows this is going on. THERE IS NOTHING THAT HAPPENS THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT. I CAN GUARANTEE THAT! This just proves that he contradictes what he used to preach. Wake up out there. Think about all the old teachings. We weren't suppose to drink, smoke, associate with "Christian people", and now for the almighty dollar you are all stooping to a very low way of making a buck. Selling the booze, cigarettes, oh and let's not forget about the chocolate. You have a great fudge shop. Well Yuck!

    Posted by: D on May 22, 2008 at 02:41 AM
    As a couple that has been going to these parties for many years now, we still find peoples ignorance amusing. They talk of the huge uproar this has had on the community and yet we never advertised anything to make the public aware of our presence. The whopping 2 protesters at the 2nd party did that. In fact, all the publicity has only increased our guests. They speak of the "wrong-doing" and yet have no true idea of what goes on at one of these parties. Sex in a hotel is hardly a new concept either with or without your spouse. What many fail to realize is that all those guests at the parties also shop at the stores in Shawano. The local businesses don't seem to have an issue "swinger" money if it is spent at THEIR establishment. I think the biggest issue the city really had was with a "Rama" biz doing well. I have only met Rama members that work at the hotel but I can say nothing ill of them. They may have different beliefs than many others but have always treated us with respect.

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 22, 2008 at 01:28 AM
    I can't wait to see what all these anonymous "group members" have to say to rationalize the sex parties at one of the Group's hotels. **chuckles**

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 22, 2008 at 01:21 AM
    You think you have the answers to every last detail In your eyes, you're the victor In mine you've only failed You monkey see, you monkey do You're always doing what they tell you to You're such a puppet on string You don't get it!

    Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on May 22, 2008 at 01:20 AM
    I won't bow to something that I've never seen I can't believe in something that doesn't believe in me I'm not blood of your blood, I'm no son of your god I've no faith in your fate

    Posted by: Dennis Holbert on May 22, 2008 at 12:13 AM
    Jesus said, 'You will know them by their fruits.' The actions of this group has shown their fruits. May the Lord deliver the lambs as they go to the slaughter.

    Posted by: n/a Location: n/a on May 21, 2008 at 10:16 PM
    You insinuated that the Secrets parties HAD to leave Oshkosh....they left because the D.O.T. bought the hotel to tear down for a new highway overpass

    Posted by: jack Location: friendship on May 21, 2008 at 10:08 PM
    this thing smells bad

    Posted by: Still Hungry Location: Here on May 21, 2008 at 09:27 PM
    Of course, when their buildings are vacant they complain, and when they do business they also complain, makes me think more and more that they are really pushing to shut them down for no reason other than who they are

    Posted by: rachel Location: minnesota on May 21, 2008 at 09:25 PM
    I can't believe that people are scared of a small community that has never done anything wrong and has done nothing to offend or go out of their way to hurt the town of Shawano. There has never been any type of evidence or inkling of hurt and abuse going on. People who have no communication with the group and hate it for selfish and wrong reasons are the ones who have made these alligations. Find out how many years these people have been away and ask them the real reason why they hate this community and whould do anything to hurt them. When you find the real reason why, print that in the paper or anywhere else you would like. You have from the sheriff himself that this community has done nothing wrong. They are peaceful and the only reason they seem cautious is because they have people trying to physically and emotionally hurt them. Wouldn't we all try to protect the ones we love? Get the real story and all the background info before printing something.

    Posted by: D Location: Shawano on May 21, 2008 at 09:15 PM
    I wonder if the Shawano police try to get into every private party hosted by everyone else in their area. Or is this another form of harassment designed as an intimidation attempt towards SIST and their affiliates, etc?

    Posted by: LOL on May 21, 2008 at 09:08 PM
    Wow!!!! You find this in the bible for sure. What about the old say that told in Shawano. "Who you hang out with or associate with that is what you become." What about the denomic spirits that are around that place. How about what happened in Louisana? All the sins of the Mardi Gras and what it has in association with. Sounds like we have a Mardi Gras in our own little town of Shawano Wisconsin. And guess what it is owned and run by the Believers in the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Posted by: s Location: wisconsin on May 21, 2008 at 08:46 PM
    hey check this out i know of a place that has a strip club on one side of the road and a Catholic Church right across from it. It is a really good place to go. all you have to do is walk across the street after a saturday spree,confess and you are forgiven....till next time But you know god forgives so it must be allright. oops i forgot it's a secret.

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