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Secrets in Shawano: Part 3: The Hotel Controversy Save Email Print
Posted: 7:37 PM May 21, 2008
Last Updated: 8:32 PM May 21, 2008
Reporter: Mikel Lauber
Email Address: mlauber@wsaw.com


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In this series, we’re taking a closer look at the controversy surrounding a group led by Avraham Cohen, formerly known by two other names: Rama Behera, and Samanta Roy.

For more than 30 years, the secrecy surrounding this group has led to much speculation. Some are also concerned about the financial impact on the community; Cohen has invested millions in local businesses, left some buildings vacant, and has fallen behind in taxes and other payments.

Even more recently, one of the hotels he owns is drawing complaints and protests because it's the site of private adult parties hosted by a swingers group called ‘Share Your Secrets’.

NewsChannel 7 was asked to look into these parties at the Shawano Best Western Motel. We captured what was happening at one of their ‘private parties’ on our hidden cameras.

Shawano Police Chief Ed Whealon says, despite the controversy over what many view as immoral, such parties don't necessarily violate any laws. "There is a statute on the books called adultery”, Whealon said. “But to enforce that statute, you have to have a victim or a party to step forward and file a complaint with law enforcement."

However, in each of the last few meetings citations have been issued, including serving alcohol past hours and refusal to allow officers on the premises.

There's no question these parties are causing a stir in the community. And Mike Schuler, Town Chairman in nearby Wescott, says their connection to Avraham Cohen is concerning. "It's very difficult to believe that a person that has a religion, that preaches on weekends and allows his hotel to be used for what it's used for once a month”, said Schuler. “I don't understand."

But Alan Eisenberg, an attorney for Avraham Cohen, says Cohen is not involved. "It's of utterly no significance”, said Eisenberg. “And one thing's for sure: Avraham Cohen has absolutely nothing to do with it. He doesn't even know about it. It has not been discussed with him. I have not spoken to him about it."

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Posted by: The Traveler Location: Shawano on Jul 30, 2008 at 09:55 PM
Anyone who visits Rama's businesses can see that the workers there are doing the best they can. Most of them are polite, friendly and helpful to customers. They keep their workplaces immaculate. The sad and sickening thing is that THEY ARE NOT BEING PAID! And they are working far more than 40 hours per week! However, I believe it is better to work in a gas station, hotel, or gift shop than on Rama's compound doing endless chores such as shoveling dirt, sweeping goose poop from walkways, pulling weeds, standing guard, or whatever other miserable task Rama orders. At least in the businesses, Rama's followers can interact with customers, let some of their own personality out and have some brain stimulation. I have no doubt that many of them want to leave Rama, but they can't bear to leave their children and/or other family behind. There is a high price to pay for leaving, but the desire to be free to live one's life as they choose can make a person willing to pay the price.

Posted by: to DR Devil crusader Location: LOL on Jul 24, 2008 at 10:28 PM
ok "just don't call me late to the strip club"!!!! hillarious!

Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: Betyouwanttoknow on Jul 24, 2008 at 01:51 AM
Hear ye! Hear ye! Listen with an attentive ear! I have never said I was the Devils Advocate. I am the Devils Crusader!!! If it makes you feel better, you can feel free to call me Dr. Devils Crusader. Just don't call me late to the strip club. I'm hoping that one day soon they will put a strip club on my university campus. This way I will always be late for class and have a good excuse. Hmmmm...Thought time!

Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: Betyouwanttoknow on Jul 24, 2008 at 01:41 AM
Anonymous...This can't be Dan because this one claims to be an honor student. Dan, dont be discouraged because like they say, the 10th try is the charm. You will pass the boards. But seriously, good luck finding a job.

Posted by: Dr. Santa Claus Location: Eating steak at people's express on Jul 17, 2008 at 10:44 AM
Dr. Santa Clause has many smiles when he reads the wisdom of Chester the Molester. WOW! Nice parrot, nice parrot, can i pet your cute little bald head? Having steak and a glass of milk? Is it turtle steak? WOW, and you call his washed up bankrupt sewage hole gas stations fortune 500 companies. ALLAH AKBAR! Behold i just ran into the porcelain throne at people's express and a vision from god. I AM A BRAIN SURGEON! Hear ye hear ye, ALLAH hath spoken! Dr. Santa Clause is a brain surgeon as well. What a bunch of Crap! You guys crack me up all day long. Talk about some real wisdom. This DUMBO character is hiding behind underage girls and sitting out in Baltimore like a little B**** COWARD. COME FORTH Dr. COHEN, FRAUD come forth with your great family that ALLAH hath blessed thee with thou great wannabe Sadhu jew.

Posted by: Dr Santa Clause Location: Porcelain throne watching DUMBO on Jul 17, 2008 at 09:37 AM
The Honorable Dr. Fraud Rumadumdumb, fails again to come out from behind the skirts of women and children and defend his name. Behold, this uncircumcised Philistine is wandering about seeking his orthodox jewish family in the hindu temple in Orissa! Alas, he is making plans to circumcise his posse of women. RamaDUNG will have to change his name again, bcz this too must be done within the Secrets of Shawano.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 17, 2008 at 06:38 AM
yawnnnnnnnnn no cages for me. i have a full day ahead between work and family which im sure you know nothing about. maybe even hit up a movie and afterwards a nice expensive restaurant with steak and a glass of milk.

Posted by: SG Location: to HELICOP on Jul 16, 2008 at 10:44 PM
WOW you're back! got any words to the wise??? I am lost in the cults' lies and crazy rationalizations & i don't think there is a prayer for normalcy for some of them... but i am out shaking things up... a few followers of the 'profit' may be really surprised soon!

Posted by: DR. Santa Claus Location: BURGER KING on Jul 16, 2008 at 04:24 PM
Wow! That is so cool! Rock on! I work at a fortune 500 company too. Sometimes they even let me wear that cool headset and take orders from the drive-thru window and i get to do it all by my own self! And when they ask for extra ketchup i give them a whole bag of ketchup! THis is so cool! WOW! Do you want to be friends? Or do you work at that Extortion 500 company called CYST? The one that owns all those gas stations that don't sell gas? And don't pay taxes because the only taxes the lord instructs his B****'s to pay are the taxes to DR. DUMBO, aka CHESTER THE MOLESTER? By the way, where is that cool guy hangin out these days? Is he with those blonde toddlers again? Where doth he hide? I really want to get his autograph! He is my idol. Every morning while i visit the porcelain throne it reminds me of the greatness of your Hindu god named DR. RumDUNGPILE. ALLAH AKBAR, get back to work! You are nothing but a parrot of DUMBO so get back to your cage.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 16, 2008 at 02:24 PM
for all you know i could work in there corporate office. LOL and i chose to not flaunt my education around. we all have many different personalities and i dont use my education skills when it comes to communicating with low as- people like you. keep up the talk its interesting to see how people react to simple comments. oh and you dont even know me so for all you know i could be living in a mansion.yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn keep the comments coming. im quite pleased at all your reactions

Posted by: lol on Jul 16, 2008 at 01:50 PM
remember: fortune 500 could mean McDonalds or Taco Bell/KFC/Burger King. get back to the french fry station Anonymous.

Posted by: to Anonymous on Jul 16, 2008 at 01:12 PM
You went to college and you write and spell like that? puh lease

Posted by: Guess Who Location: why would you care on Jul 16, 2008 at 01:06 PM
to anonymous - where is your money if you are really working for a fortune 500 company? Do you have anything to show for it? Obviously college didn't help you at all. You still do not have any brains that are worth while using.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 16, 2008 at 09:58 AM
i am not working for free. i fact i work for a fortune 500 company if you care to know and make some kick as- money. LOL keep guessing. oh and in college i was an honor student so that rite there goes to show i can think unlike you

Posted by: Elina on Jul 16, 2008 at 08:51 AM
Anonymous, you can stop with the personal insults now. Why is it that everytime someone says something against Rama, you take it personally? We are not insulting you. We are insulting Rama. Or rather trying to tell the truth. If you want to defend him, say what you think without the immature behavior and attitudes.

Posted by: helicop on Jul 15, 2008 at 09:41 PM
you are doing great things in the world by working for free and benefiting one and only one person. soemting to be proud of....get outta there and go to college and learn to think

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 15, 2008 at 05:53 PM
thank you for all the compliments. they make me feel mighty proud to the proud person i am. LOL i'll have to resort to childrens talk again. WORDS WONT HURT ME. keep talking im sure you doing so much good in this world by running your mouth. definetly making me feel like a better person. LOL

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 15, 2008 at 01:41 PM
Leave your facts up DUMBO's a** where they belong. They smell as bad as he does! Thou art mighty wise "Anonymous"! You have solved the problem facing you and all the other current brethren. It is my mental instability that has separated your families, caused you to claim bankruptcy or be on the verge of claiming it, caused you to be mentally and physically abused, and caused your warped sense of beliefs on the world and "religion"! Once you wake up from your rudumberite coma you might be able to see the real world in a fresh set of eyes. Let's get back to the real reason this blog was started. Not to trade insults back and forth between members and ex-members; but to expose the sick fraud you current members call brother! Tell your profit to stop hiding behind his puppets and come on here and explain it to us ex-members. We would love to hear all of his bathroom prophecies again. You know we are all just on here because we miss him and his ears so much. DOWN WITH DUMBO!

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 15, 2008 at 01:25 PM
Maybe if I ask Rama for some of those "special" pills that he prescribes I might become less "mentally unstable"! YAY!!

Posted by: Dr. Santa Claus Location: Satans throne on Jul 15, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Sounds like mr anonymous is spewing for for RUMANDUNG DUNGPILE rubish. You guys bring me much humor. You want to talk about mentally unstable, eh? Well, tell you what, why dont you put your great Sadhu Fraud to get on the line and quite hiding behind women, children, parrots and puppets. Tell the great extortionist to come forth from hiding. Or is he to busy molesting children with his fellow DEADBEAT dad CHILD MOLESTER cronies? Wake up, you're a brainwashed puppet. ALLAH AKBAR! LONG LIVE DR DUMBO THE FRAUD!!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 15, 2008 at 10:10 AM
amen elina thou art always rite. again as someone posted before if you were all so righteous and uprite people why would you call urself the devil or any names like that. yea "the Devil" is doing a good job of showing how mentally unstable he is.

Posted by: Elina on Jul 14, 2008 at 07:20 PM
Sheba was just pointing out that if you are trying to make a valid argument, it might be helpful to have it backed up by decent language skills. Nobody is going to take you seriously otherwise. Good spelling is an indication that you have decent reasoning and are serious about your topic. As for "the Devil", he is doing an awesome job of depicting who Rama is and debating his use of language is not the point. Your reactions of pointing the finger at him are not addressing the real discussion-Rama's actions. Let's talk about who and what Rama has done (good or bad). Keep going "Devil" and others; what the supporters of Rama say reflects directly on him. I, for one, am proud of you all.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 14, 2008 at 05:24 PM
oh gosh i didnt proof read again. Yahhhh. hey sheba do you think you could proofread these for me

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 14, 2008 at 03:43 PM
It is working! I must have kindled the anger within RAMA...for he hath had his puppets come forth to attempt in insulting me! Still waiting for a good one though. I think old big ears might use some of your overdue tax money to reduce the size of his EARS! Watch out!

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 14, 2008 at 03:41 PM
Great clarification by both of the aliases known as Anonymous! That clears everything up. Thanks. I will take that as another compliment. I love it. You would rather resort to grade school "says" than lower yourself to my standards. One question though. How do you lower yourself to standards when your standards are already lower? Maybe if ask for forgiveness from a pedophile I might be saved...That will be the day! He will burn in hell before that ever happens. Oh and by him I mean BROTHER! Beware Religions Offering The Hypocrisies Embodying Rama!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 14, 2008 at 02:30 PM
to the devil: your postings say more than you think about your mental state. keep posting they are actually quite entertaining to read. and yes i do have to resort to grade school says. id rather do that than lower myself to your standards and language.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 14, 2008 at 02:20 PM
never said i was well educated i said quote "i have an education" come stop putting words in my mouth

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 14, 2008 at 12:12 PM
I never claimed to know anything about you or your education! You claimed to be well educated after Sheba corrected you on your spelling of the English language! Then I simply stated that somebody that is well educated might want to at least learn to spell correctly if they are claiming to be a scholar! Also, if you are going to assert that I don't know things about you or your education...why would you claim to know anything about me or whether or not I am miserable! That seems a little hypocritical to me! But that only makes sense considering where you have been raised and who you are defending. So before taking the defensive and stating simple grade school recess sayings like "sticks and stones"...you may want to re-read the previous postings and you might come to the realization that I never said anything to insult you. Just stated simple facts...But since you are so knowledgeable you might want to send that saying over to the old big ears..It might work for him! DOWN WITH DUMBO!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 14, 2008 at 11:32 AM
to the Devil: Congrats you know nothing about me and espiecially my education. i chose to write and speak my own way. i could care less if i spell a word wrong so someone can critize me for it. if i really cared what everyone thought of me id be a miserable as you. keep it up sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 14, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Well if your leader is so great and such a "man of God" than I should take that as a compliment "Anonymous" right! Funny how you are now referring to your own leader as DUMBO as well. Look current members...the lord hath blessed me and now I have been elevated to the prestige comparison of DUMBO. The one with the big ears and the nose down to his feet! And from the postings I read it doesn't look like your are so educated if you insult your own leader in an attempt to insult me. I don't believe Sheba was lecturing...just proving a point. Don't tell us how educated and smart you are if you can't proof read your own postings. I could care less about proofing my postings for spelling or grammar because I didn't come here to impress anybody! Just bad-mouth the old big ears as much as humanly possible. Like the bible that you guys supposedly believe in! An eye for an eye! Or in this case and ear for an ear! Oh I made a funny!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 14, 2008 at 08:34 AM
to Sheba: i'm not calling them names just refering to the names they are calling themselves such as The Devil, Devils Advocate. Hello arent you reading any of the other posts. oh and i have an education so dont even try to lecture me. I had plenty of those in school. to The Devil: you have always been at the level of Dumbo so dont justify how you "stooped" to that level

Posted by: figure it out on Jul 13, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Oh and the other thing that was used to pop that turtles shell was a ax and sledge hammer I know that Tom would know all about this.

Posted by: Sheba on Jul 13, 2008 at 03:49 AM
It is a free country, but you're butchering a language, it doesn't have anything to do with a country it is just my preference for you to have an education. It is a name calling game for some. You are calling them names too (such as devil friends). I'm not surprised that they are nor you, since a lot of us came from the same background and were/are told to name call. I wish that it could be better...so I will keep posting and hoping. I have not lost hope.

Posted by: figure it out on Jul 12, 2008 at 11:05 PM
I can tell you for sure that turtle was eaten in Shawano. I can even tell you who caught the turtle and who took the shell off the turtle and how they took the shell of the turtle. All this was done in front of many childrens little eyes in Dennis's backyard. Tom took a big log chain and kept swinging at the helpless turtle to break its shell. The turtle was then split and meat taken to rama's and thrown into a pot of curry. So maybe you should go ask Tom about this because it really did happen.

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 12, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Before the slew of names being sprayed all over this chalkboard like graffiti came from my/our end...we tried to state all the truths about your deceptive leader as rational as possible. Sure we referred to rama derogatorily but there were no new names called. Then of course come the false accusations from the current members about how the ex-members are drug addicts and prostitutes! Specific family names were brought into the mix and bad-mouthed with absolutely no facts. Just lies that Rama has spewed forth for years to keep all you current members under the vise. What next the total and absolute defiling of your wonderful aka disingenuous leader. We (ex-members) are not here to insult you current members. Just try to get across the fact that you are brainwashed and you have been taken complete advantage of through malicious mind control. It's hard to see but the maticulous rational thoughts that have been put out here have been disregarded. So, we have stooped to the level of DUMBO!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 12, 2008 at 08:14 PM
i can spell however i plz. its a free country. and maybe the members havent chosen to post because this has turned into a name calling game. they defend themselves and you call names. Whats the point. ok so maybe you havent done any name calling yourself but maybe you should talk to your devil friends that are posting nasty comments

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 12, 2008 at 08:26 AM
You're a brainwashed PUPPET! LOL You're leader is a BIG-EARED child MOLESTER!

Posted by: Sheba Location: MN on Jul 12, 2008 at 04:06 AM
Just because a few can read the blogs doesn't mean all of them are allowed to. I'm sure if all of them were, there would be more comments on here. There are more current members than ex-members who regularly post on here. Oh and "straite" is spelled "straight" in the english language, so get that right. I am an ex-member and haven't resorted to nasty language either, so read correctly.

Posted by: Jungle JANE Location: Looking for a parrot, to place upon the crown of DUMBO on Jul 11, 2008 at 07:49 PM
Well mr Anonymous, you had better start taking notes yourself, LOL LOL LOL now that is just F***** hilarious isn't it? WOW, when dr DUMBO lets you out of your cage does he give you bird food for the road? Or do you fast until you get back to the zoo so you can indulge in kosher pork sandwich crumbs? You guys bring much humor to my day with the stupidity! It is very entertaining reading the great words of a bunch of cowards that don't even have the nads to admit they are still puppets of the great and mighty Sadhu rabbi! Wake up and tell your great towel top to come forth from the tunnels and bring the females and children with him. ALLAH AKBAR!!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 11, 2008 at 06:19 PM
if they were told not to read the blogs why ae they still posting comments. LOL get your facts straite before running at the mouth

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 11, 2008 at 06:08 PM
if anyone has responded to questions with name calling its been the ex members. maybe you should learn to read before saying anything. they have been the ones who've resorted to nasty language and cant rise above bathroom language as you all put it.

Posted by: Anon on Jul 11, 2008 at 02:37 PM
I directed my post to the members at least as much as to the rest. But I understand that they have no valid answers to all the complaints being registered, so maybe it is useless. Nevertheless, the ex-members should not stoop to the gutter-level language of Rama and his disciples. Keep posting facts about the rama-trauma we have all experienced, and maybe the light will turn on in the brain of some sincere lurker out there, defying Rama's probable command to not read the blogs (as he told them to not read the Shawano Leader articles about him).

Posted by: to Anon on Jul 11, 2008 at 01:33 AM
The current members have no reasoning capacity to discuss the real issues. Try asking them a thoughtful question and they won't respond, or they will respond with name calling. Rama has called them names, verbally abused them and talked dung bathroom talk to them for so long its the only language they understand and respond to.

Posted by: Elina Grace Location: Much Love and GRACE on Jul 10, 2008 at 05:04 PM
Not meaning to be undiplomatic...Scripture should be used to fight Rama and I give you kudos for using a weapon that I'm not familiar with. However, it is difficult to hear it if it is aimed elsewhere (as an example of a Shawano kid). I feel so inundated by religion and spirituality that I feel pain and want to run. I prefer my own healing process of praying, not praying, thinking, not thinking... I don't want to be in a situation like my childhood where, (yes I know it's different) I'm given an ideology and told it's the right way. Our basic foundations have been strip-mined. Another thought is that we reserve the right (ALL ex-members) to have our opinions and beliefs regardless of the past and what it did to our views of the bible and god. Many in the "world" grow up "normal" and have these similar ideas and issues. But by all means, keep up with the talk to the current members. Hopefully it will work. p.s. This doesn't apply to Rama-no cattleprods, wires, etc..are involved.

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 10, 2008 at 01:37 PM
Nah!! It's obvious talking like an adult doesn't get far with these current members. So, you have to take it down several levels...somewhere between 1st and 3rd grade. I mean c'mon look at the thing they call a "man of God"...it is what it is. AN IDIOT...who found a way to manipulate losty souls! He preaches so much against Catholicism...because most of his "teachings" are based on the catholic faith. Get yourselves out of purgatory and back into the real world and your life!

Posted by: Anon on Jul 9, 2008 at 10:35 PM
This discussion has degenerated to a point that we should all be ashamed of. Let's try to raise the level a bit, demonstrate some civility, and stick to the real issues.

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 9, 2008 at 09:37 PM
That is wonderful. But sh** smells better when it isn't surrounded by more sh**. Maybe you could febreeze and the smell wouldn't linger as long. many of us ex-members had to drench ourselves in febreeze so to speak to rid ourselves of the crap that rama weighed us down with! 1 tarp, 2 tarp. red tarp, blue tarp. look i am writing a children's book just like DAN. they might call me Dr. Seuss. Dr. Seuss is more of a Dr. than your child molester, waste of space RAMBLE-ON!

Posted by: TO hey devil @ 6:17 Location: are you kidding? on Jul 9, 2008 at 08:51 PM
did you hear what you said???? "I am proud to be a product of him, even if it is sh**. At least I am something." THAT IS SERIOUSLY THE MOST STUPID THING I HAVE EVER HEARD(or read) YOU ARE PROUD TO BE A PRODUCT OF HIM EVEN IF ITS SH**? how can that be normal...why are none of you CULT people normal? Just wake the hell up & get NORMAL...you can still be GOOD RIGHTEOUS HONORABLE & BLESSED and be NORMAL. GEEEEEEZZZZZ! you poor poor lost souls- ps you're all the "MEAN" people B T W ... letting physical & emotional abuse go on / allowing your kids to get F***ed up and your families & mariages totally wrecked - and hanging on to the bitter end. screwed up totally!

Posted by: Hey biffy on Jul 9, 2008 at 06:18 PM
What about the white and red tarps? Or are you still stuck in the blue porta-potty.

Posted by: Hey Devil on Jul 9, 2008 at 06:17 PM
I am proud to be a product of him, even if it is sh**. At least I am something.

Posted by: Biffy Location: Under the Blue Tarp on Jul 8, 2008 at 09:49 PM
Hi my name bif-shady. I pray under a blue tarp to a child molester...who would be lucky if I didn't flush him and his followers...oh wait it's a porta-potty...there is no flushing...we'll just let the stench build up until the blue tarp and everything under it must be destroyed!

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 8, 2008 at 07:24 PM
So if ole big ears is in fact "king of the crapper"...and you members are products of him...that must make you "the sh** inside it" maybe you should climb out of your whole before somebody flushes you...it's starting to get pretty rank!

Posted by: Avraham Location: blue tarp on Jul 8, 2008 at 06:53 PM
Wow, mr. to the devil. Thy new name shall be BIFFY. SO Biffy how does it feel to be a nice smelly porta-potty?

Posted by: To Devil on Jul 8, 2008 at 05:45 PM
It is better to be "king of the crapper" than be the sh** inside it.

Posted by: I can't forget on Jul 8, 2008 at 05:23 PM
I can't forget remembers! We were indeed fed turtle curry at the Ballinger's. I also remember the pork curry rama made there, and how he took the lid off the pressure cooker while there was high pressure inside. Glen warned him, but the profit disregarded and suffered the consequences. Who got the blame? Not rama, of course, but the Ballingers. Of course that was before the Lord had made known that it was a sin to eat swine flesh. But it was ok for "swine" to desert his family and dedicate his life to serving rama in India.

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 8, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Who are "they"? If you were or are a part of this group you would be calling the "they" ins this matter WE. So that said. If you were never a part of this group how would you know if Rama threw a turtle in his nasty bubbling pot of curry and forced the brethren to eat it. Then I don't recall any of the brethren begging to eat this foul concoction. So that leaves my finger still pointing at the big eared prophet of goose dung! Also what does "insides must be knoting like the devil himself". why are the devil's insides knoting if there is such a thing. and how do you know that if there is a devil that it has a gender. think before you write...oh and pull the goose crap out of your mouth first so your words don't smell like where they came from...RAMA's tainted visions on the porcelain throne! Yay for KING OF THE CRAPPER!

Posted by: Devil on Jul 7, 2008 at 06:24 PM
How is it someone elses problem you were dumb enough to eat a turtle sitting in a mud puddle? They have never eaten turtle, even from the beginning, so it sounds like a personal problem to me. You're insides must be knoting like the devil himself.

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 3, 2008 at 07:01 PM
"the bible thumpers" c'mon now anonymous. you want people to respect your so called religion yet you demean and insult other peoples faiths. don't be a hypocrite. oh wait that's one of the only values you learned from your pathetic leader. oh and by the way a wolf usually dresses like a sheep. remember the story of little red riding hood. "oh grandma what mighty fine teeth you have" *CHOMP*. watch out for your so called man of god will be taking a bite out of your a** before you know it. i can call myself whatever I please...doesn't prove a thing. it's what's inside me that truly matters. and right now I sure don't have a gut full of rotten turtle curry rumbling around! or did you forget about that....shhh don't tell!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 3, 2008 at 05:47 PM
To Elina, Is that why these people are writing in his name? Thank you for proving the point. You said it better than I ever could have, "One way the Enemy (Satan) is glorified is by people doing things in his name." Is that not what these people are doing, calling themselved by these horrible names? Doing things literally in "his name?" I still think that the bible thumpers are talking to the wrong people. In all my years of research, the leader of that group has never called himself G-d or Satan, in writing nor in tape recoderings.

Posted by: To: DC on Jul 3, 2008 at 03:58 PM
(DRY cont.) Lu 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Posted by: To: DC on Jul 3, 2008 at 03:55 PM
Not only HOT, but DRY, too...no Coke machines. Read this: Lu 16:19 ¶ There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: betyouwanttoknow on Jul 3, 2008 at 02:22 AM
Ummm....FYI...Tomorrow at noon (CDT) the devil will be at a screening for an adult film shoot. At this time, please don't interupt by starting to wrestle against the ruler of darkness. He has been looking forward to this shoot for 3 days. In advance, His Wickedness, would like to thank you for your cooperation. Until next time may you not wrestle against flesh and blood, but go to an all nude "female" mud wrestling match. OMG....it's HOT!

Posted by: To Elina on Jul 2, 2008 at 09:31 PM
One way the Enemy (Satan) is glorified is by people doing things in his name. I think you misunderstood. The real enemy is not Rama but Satan. Rama is nothing more than a puppet in the hands of the devil, just as Rama's followers are his puppets. Ephesians 6:11 says: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Posted by: To Elina on Jul 2, 2008 at 05:41 PM
I am truly sure that G-d knows your hearts and minds, all of you write that down, some day you will need a reference to it.

Posted by: Elina on Jul 2, 2008 at 03:55 PM
p.s. Us fighting Rama with using HUMAN language does NOT GLORIFY THE ENEMY. I would like to think that God knows our hearts and minds. We are fighting unrighteousness. Leave us alone!!!!!!

Posted by: Elina on Jul 2, 2008 at 03:52 PM
"Satan, the Devil, etc..." are really good people who have gone through literal hell. These names were given by Rama and they are conquering their past by using them to tell the truth. You have to step outside of the box here. This is not a normal situation of good vs. evil. The bible and God almost doesn't even apply because it has been twisted so badly that it is unrecognizable. My understanding is that true Christianity allows for love and acceptance, not condemnation. If these people want to use these names, that's their right. My name was "Little Eva" which probably means nothing to you. However, it means the worst of my evil rotten grandmother. I was interrogated until I had to accept it. For hours. In public. I was 5!!!! Be a loving Christian and help us instead of fighting us.

Posted by: Writer of the bible quotes on Jul 1, 2008 at 06:57 PM
You say that you "being a good christian would never associate myself with people who call themselves by such horrible names and portray such evil in their writings." Don't you know that the Lord Jesus associated with tax collectors and snnners? It was the proud, self-righteous Pharisees that condemned Him for that. You don't know the abuse these souls have suffered. It's true that they should not post things in the name of the devil -- it glorifies the Enemy and opens themselves up to demonic invasion. But they are the products of Rama's spiritual oversight. They are burned out on religion and ignorant of spiritual truth, as a result of Rama's twisted theology, denegration of the Bible, and abusive behavior in the name of God. But I question your own theology from the attitude you display toward the people with which you say you would not associate.

Posted by: The Angel Location: Heaven on Jul 1, 2008 at 04:43 PM
Hear Ye Hear Ye. All ye rambalites should listen to the ALL-MIGHTY words that I shall speak of! I have a very good name so that means that ye shall listen. The lord hath sent me a vision that I shall start the most holiest of places for worship. Ye are welcome every weekend. I want thee to start coming. I have shoved 4 4x4's in the ground and wrapped it in grey tarps...the holiest of tarps. Inside lies a red carpet for me thine leader and surrounding the red carpet are three 50 gallon drums. Ye shall come upon the setting of the sun every friday evening until the rising of the monday sun. Ye shall cleaneth the geese dung from my property and fill me drums with your paychecks. If you do all that is spoken ye shall be saved for your sins and the sins of your ancestors. I hath spoken and my name is of a good nature so that means that I speaketh the truth. Come one COME all. I don not want to work anymore....and I want yee all to support me. Hurry cuz my property taxes are due soon!

Posted by: to anonymous Location: 6:43 post on Jul 1, 2008 at 03:13 PM
hey DIMWIT.... ever ask yourself "hmm why do they have the nick names 'devil' 'satan' 'sad' cant forget'"? ask them SHERLOCK, bet there is a reason why they penned those names. Bet that 'devil' is actually a God fearing person...bet there is more to the story ...bet that the 'emperor & his new clothes' was the twisted F that called a child that name...just a guess...maybe you should check. AND YOU BEING A GOOD CHRISTIAN???? the bible say there is no one good no not one.

Posted by: Ask Location: And Ye Shall Recieve NOTHING on Jul 1, 2008 at 02:34 PM
Ask you big-eared, ugly hat wearing, child molesting, money laundering, human enslaving, leader where his Brain Surgeon practice is located. I need a tumor removed!

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jul 1, 2008 at 02:33 PM
By the way "these people" are not a people nor do they have anything to defend themselves from. Nobody has come been attacking "people" unless you consider DR. Molester to be several people...because he seems to go by several names/aliases. Since you seem to have such great insight...maybe you will be the next prophet when this one joins are infamous prison system for years of molestation/rape/abuse/and money laundering. Why is it that nobody cares to defend there courageous leaders. No they are such religious people that they don't feel it necessary to retaliate to such allegations...no they will just call names that a 3rd grader would use and and make ludicrous assertions about people they have knows nothing about for years. You better be careful because I hear the tarp on your place of worship is beginning to tatter...and before you know it the smell from ye rumbalites fear-filled leader shall catch wind from Baltimore and rot your compound from the inside out.

Posted by: to anonymous 6:43 post Location: joke, right??? on Jul 1, 2008 at 12:47 PM
hahahahaha I am blown away by your STUPIDITY hahahaa I actually hope you go there & get trapped & broke & screw up your kids & ruin your family and you get to lead a "double life" FOOL! because you deserve it for being such a clueless moron. LOL can't stop laughing... wtf!!!

Posted by: to Anonymous Location: false and fake and pretending on Jul 1, 2008 at 12:24 PM
If you have been interested in this group for many years, get your butt back there! Go there every weekend, get yelled at for nothing and work for free in the businesses. Obviously you haven't suffered enough to see the truth that this guy is a fraud, extortionist, slave driver, and a bipolar lunatic!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 30, 2008 at 06:43 PM
I have been interested in this group for many years even going back in the 80's. If these people need help, do you think they would ask for help from someone who calls themselves satan, devil, and devil's crusader? Even I can't forget and sad girlfriend sound depressing. And to the writer of the bible quotes, you should be ashamed to be associated with people who actually call themselves by these names. I think you are directing your writings to the wrong people. Me, being a good christian would never associate myself with people who call themselves by such horrible names and portray such evil in their writings. No wonder these people don't even try to defend themselves. It's like meeting a dirty homeless dog on the street who is peeing on a sign post. You don't sit there and try to explain to the dog, that it's dirty and stinks. NO, you go around, keep going and make sure your kids don't ever go there.

Posted by: to Satan Location: health and well being on Jun 25, 2008 at 10:14 PM
May your anger help you to do something about this guy. I feel your anger sooo much. I know how it feels. I know how to calm myself now. So here's a hug. Don't tell me it won't fix it. Cuz it might help just a little. Especially since you probably didn't get one while in there. I know I didn't. (((Hug))

Posted by: satan Location: under the royal blue tarp on Jun 25, 2008 at 04:22 PM
Hear ye hear ye, all you ramdamerites. Behold as i watch from under the tarps and see you all hiding with your feet in your mouths a revelation hath been made known to me. Surely all you bretheren's sins and eniquities have caused this disgrace to Dr. Ramdam. Thou hast caused these lies to be printed about your Sadhu because of your pride and because you "have not listened to the word of brother" Dr. Ramdam, the brain surgeon, lives a simple life of destroying your families and extorting all your money to fund his lavish lifestyle and his fantasies. As a well respected member of the extortion community he hath donated $500K of your money to a school on the east coast. You have no respect of the pains Dr. Ramdam went through to donate that much of the money he is extorting from you. Your sins will find you out and now you have caused such disgrace to the name of Dr. Ramdam. Now because of your sins, Ramdam's son hath turned against him as well as he hath exposed more Ramdam lies.

Posted by: to DEVIL Location: hell on Jun 24, 2008 at 05:42 PM
hahahahah I like you "devil" i like you alot! still laughing to myself! ."..Stick to your sex parties..." wow how stupid & superficial - ryan is caught in a sexwarp! heeheehahaha

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 23, 2008 at 09:38 AM
Wow RYAN great insight. Why are you on hear ranting about something you know nothing about. Stick to your sex parties and we'll stick to bashing the man that deserves to be taken down!

Posted by: Ryan Location: Milwaukee on Jun 21, 2008 at 08:10 PM
I have been attending swinger parties for 5 yrs. Been a co-host and manager at them. Have known the lady and gentleman who run "Share your Secrets" for the same amount of time. Never even heard of Rama or his "cult" before now. Don't care about him one way or the other either. The fact that the media "assumes' that Rama would even know about these parties let alone use this as a link to "expose" him is a VERY long shot. The fact remains that it is indeed a private party where the true focus is to have fun WITHOUT anybody sticking their noses into our own consentual business. It's not advertised publicly, nor is there any exposure to people who don't want to hear about it until the media goes and exposes it. See it for what it is, not what someone else uses as a tool to bash someone else to up their ratings. This time it's both swingers and Rama. Next week it'll be a huge car accident or a house fire that kills a whole family of five. Get a life and toss your television out the window.

Posted by: to Anonymous on Jun 13, 2008 at 04:38 PM
Instead of attacking and calling someone a name, why don't you answer the question? Do you believe and practice the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament?

Posted by: nobody important Location: who cares on Jun 13, 2008 at 03:21 PM
Hope? really ? these are a group of people run like dumb cows by a hindu jew wannabee christian hater. what does that make a person? they are not Jews/ surely not Christians/ hindu mutated goolash?? what!? C'MON really where is God? Does God care? In OT God executed judgement to those who were false prophets/ judgements against kings/ judgement even to our patriarchs when they screwed up? Where is the hope for trodden down, mocked, ridiculed, slaves...led by a misguided mismanaged egocentric freakshow??? There are no checks & balances of common sense men & women keeping that group on track! He's a little hitler, jim jones...hell they're gonna pass the koolade anyday .

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 13, 2008 at 02:38 PM
Devils Crusader speaks it exactly. Change the doubt to action! Because they all doubt some aspect of RAMA. If they don't they have no logical thinking left because of the years of brainwashing!

Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: betyouwanttoknow on Jun 13, 2008 at 01:56 PM
To~ no body inportant. What you say is so very true except one thing. There is hope. There really is! I have seen it first hand. Many many people have left and have and want nothing to do with rama except to expose him for the fraud that he is. Inside of every member still in this cult, there is a part of them that want to get out of this situation. All that needs to happen is for that "WANT" to get bigger and bolder. When this happens they will be gone. Gone from the torment, gone from the concrete floor upon which they have to sit, gone from mind control and gone from the lies that have been told to them all these years.

Posted by: no body important on Jun 13, 2008 at 01:42 PM
I read this stuff... like a moth to the flame. a heart that truelly cares YET as I read and see the frustration/beligerance/ anger/ smart alec comments/ stubborness/ hatefull words -- I see how God must grow so so so weary of striving with us all. This is a small grouping out of the whole world and there is such volatile emotions... no one is convincing either side of the fence ..it's truelly hopeless as I see it.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 13, 2008 at 01:02 PM
SSR the bible thumper is back. you are definetly going to save lots of souls on here. LOL.

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 13, 2008 at 11:53 AM
How are we trying to control anybody by speaking the truth about a psychopath? LET'S ALL TYPE IN CAPS THE WHOLE TIME!! MAYBE THAT'S HOW WE CAN CONTROL ALL OF THESE PEOPLE!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 13, 2008 at 09:56 AM
LET PEOPLE LIVE THERE OWN LIFE. AND YOU ALL ARE TALKING CONTROL WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO. CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL

Posted by: to Anonymous on Jun 12, 2008 at 04:53 PM
Do you read the Old Testament? You should re-read the 10 commandments and pay special attention to, "Honor thy father and mother" You and Rama might learn something.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 11, 2008 at 06:25 PM
I can just hear him as he is typing also screaming READ THE NEW TESTAMENT, I am cracking up here!

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 11, 2008 at 05:04 PM
Toe jam tastes great. Eating it up!

Posted by: The Devils Crudsader Location: betyouwanttoknow on Jun 11, 2008 at 04:27 PM
15 minutes of fame? Noone is looking for any kind of fame or fortune. This cult has distroyed a huge part of our lives and the only thing that I or anyone else wants it to get the current members away and out from under the control of Rama. And as far as me being the "gueen of the hill", I'm a man not woman. Just to let all of you know how much we all want you out of this (for your own good), I have been out of this cult for just about 15 years. And for the post on June 11 at 12:38pm, I'm not sure what you are talking about. Get ahold of me if you know who I am. Thank you, The Devils Crusader

Posted by: To: to devils crusader on Jun 11, 2008 at 12:38 PM
How do you know ex-members are dumped? Are you saying that because Rama says so? Those who leave WANT to finally be the adults they are and make their own informed decisions and have their own lives. They are given help to get on their feet and jumpstart their lives from those who know what its like to be in their shoes, they are not "dumped" when they need help. We don't micromanage fellow ex-members lives like Rama thinks lives should be managed. We provide advice when asked and respect people's right to make good and bad decisions about thier own lives.

Posted by: SRR on Jun 11, 2008 at 12:15 PM
You say, "Everybody is all wonderful when they leave, then when they have problems, the people who told you to leave are to [sic] busy to help..." Why do people have problems when they leave? If Mister Cohen's teachings are so great, why are they not established in the Lord? He calls himself a "man of God." What is the fruit of his "ministry?" By their fruits you shall know them. When they come out, some are athiests, one became a Muslim I heard, some become Jews, some are so burned out they don't know what they are. Few are established in the Lord. When I walked away from Shawano, I did not need a baby sitter or human mentor or caregiver, because the Lord Jesus was my rock and my foundation and my help. Why? Because I had studied the New Testament which you despise, and I was grounded in the Lord and not dependant on a man. Forget the Rama propaganda which you parrot so well, and READ THE NEW TESTAMENT!

Posted by: SRR Location: MN on Jun 11, 2008 at 10:07 AM
You say, "Everybody is all wonderful when they leave, then when they have problems, the people who told you to leave are to [sic] busy to help..." Why do people have problems when they leave? If Mister Cohen's teachings are so great, why are they not established in the Lord? He calls himself a "man of God." What is the fruit of his "ministry?" By their fruits you shall know them. When they come out, some are athiests, one became a Muslim I heard, some become Jews, some are so burned out they don't know what they are. Few are established in the Lord. When I walked away from Shawano, I did not need a baby sitter or human mentor or caregiver, because the Lord Jesus was my rock and my foundation and my help. Why? Because I had studied the New Testament which you despise, and I was grounded in the Lord and not dependant on a man. Forget the Rama propaganda which you parrot so well, and READ THE NEW TESTAMENT!

Posted by: To devils crusaders on Jun 10, 2008 at 05:40 PM
And what happens when you get people out of the cult, tell them to make up stories, twist facts, then give them 15 minutes of fame and then dump them in a ditch and say figure out your own problems. Everybody is all wonderful when they leave, then when they have problems, the people who told you to leave are to busy to help and the real sad part is they can't help themselves, how can they help you. They say I don't have time to deal with your problems, I am to busy being queen of the hill. I don't think I want that type of life. My life is modest, simple, peaceful and above all, I have real family, friends and relatives who can help me make the right decisions about life, not just gusses.

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 9, 2008 at 07:51 PM
Right on Devils Crusader! This is not about religion because religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. Well obviously the moral code does not exist. Unless it goes something like this! Do anything you want and you will be better than the rest of the world as long as you bow down before RAMA...because he is all knowing! Yeah on how to manipulate every facet of your mind. There is not much to say about any person who has all the degrees in the world that can allow one person to exploit their soul and control them to the point of no return!

Posted by: The Devils Crusader Location: betyouwanttoknow on Jun 9, 2008 at 03:54 PM
This whole thing has gotten out of hand. What this is all about is getting out the truth about Rama. This is not about religion because this cult is not a religion. Rama is using and has used religion to gain and keep absolute control over every "follower". To all the "followers" that are posting on here, we (The Formers) know your lies are all from Rama. You can do nothing without Ramas' approval. Again, this is not about religion but the truth about Rama and this cult. The abuse, emotional abuse, slave labor, child labor and most importantly, the complete control over every matter. To everyone in this cult still ~ there is hope and every one of The Formers will help you in any way possible. Get ahold of anyone of us and something will be done in very short notice. Want to get out??? Get ahold of someone...PLZ

Posted by: RE to get a clue on Jun 9, 2008 at 12:17 PM
right on!... sad girlfriend and devil

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 8, 2008 at 04:39 PM
That made no sense! You need to get a clue!

Posted by: sad girlfriend Location: to whoever june 7th on Jun 7, 2008 at 04:18 PM
YOU think YOU know the RIGHTEOUS JUDGE ?!?! hahaha - HE not a man/ you can not put HIM in a box/ HE won't be or do what anyone thinks. HE will seperate the wheat from the tares/ if there is corruption in any of us..we will all individually answer/keep your own garden weeded & remember HE IS near to the broken & contrite. HE does turn all things together for good to those who LOVE HIM.

Posted by: to get a clue Location: Wausau on Jun 7, 2008 at 01:03 PM
Wow it seems like you really are not even a tiny bit scared of that Righteous Judge. Continue you lies and feelings of sympathy for the rest that lie. Continue your lies. The RIGHTEOUS JUDGE will provide blessings for Dr. Cohen and will rightly judge you for your wickedness. I am no member of this group but those of you who are so boldly quoting scriptures need to take a look at yourselves before trying to curse another person. Let the RIGHTEOUS JUDGE take care of those in the wrong. Blowing a trumpet throughout the nation about something not true is not going throughout the nation and spreading the gospel. Now go spread the true gospel not the fake one that I have none through the Catholic church and the Lutheran church. The Lord Jesus is real not fake like so many churches portray.

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 4, 2008 at 12:35 PM
You are too cute buddy! Your lies roll off your tongue like spit too! In church I learned not to judge people! So what if my name were "The Devil"...I could be a saint! This "crap that WSAW" is putting all over the news is the truth. And how would you know otherwise if you are not a part of the group or never were! By the way...Thanks! I do smell - great. Lately I have been picking up a lot of garbage left on this blog by the unfortunate current members of this CULT!

Posted by: To to get a clue on Jun 4, 2008 at 12:08 PM
are you saying thats a lie, that a child was NOT beaten up at D&G's house in September of last year? you know very well its true cus the child is no longer living there. Just becasue no one was arrested or charged doesnt mean it didnt hapen, it means that Shawano police are scared of rama and dont do anything.

Posted by: to the devil Location: to hell on Jun 4, 2008 at 10:12 AM
the last time i check i was not part of the group, never was nor will be but i do know many of the people in the group and they told me about this crap that wsaw was putting all over the news. i have been friends with two of the girls there and they are very pretty and hard working girls who mind there own business. it is very funny that you call yourself the devil because that must mean that you are very bad person. From what i learn in church is that the devil is a bad person. You must be a mean person. What do you do for a living? Pick up garbage? That is why you smell! LOL

Posted by: to get a clue Location: non of you damn business on Jun 4, 2008 at 10:03 AM
if there is this so call child beaten at some V residence (what ever that means) then why have they not been charge or arrested? and when and where did it happen because you must know alot about it and must have been involved with it if you know so much about it. if the child was not in shawano limits then what did you do with this child? The police better track you down and arrest you for beating a child!(minor)

Posted by: The Devil Location: Hell on Jun 3, 2008 at 09:15 PM
TO: to i cant forget...obviously you are a part of the group...since you know who this person is...oooohhh scary! DOWN WITH RAM-DAM!

Posted by: Get a Clue Location: Shawano County on Jun 3, 2008 at 06:26 PM
I'm not a lawyer, all I have is a fake homeschool diploma which I got after my mom did all my work for me. I guess a little common sense and the ability to spell got me a long ways. But thanks for the compliment. It's really good for my battered self esteem.

Posted by: TO: get a clue Location: MN on Jun 3, 2008 at 02:26 PM
'get a clue' hmmmm you sound like a lawyer. could you be ??? esquire?

Posted by: Get a Clue Location: Shawano County on Jun 2, 2008 at 01:04 PM
To the person who doubts the report of a child beaten at the V residence: You certainly are ignorant. First, the report was filed with Shawano County Sheriff's Department, as the residence is not in Shawano city limits. Second, it is a juvenile matter so it is not public record.

Posted by: to i cant forget Location: what the hell on May 31, 2008 at 04:59 PM
as far as i care you need to get a life and the last time i checked there was no record at the police station. And i was there today to get this so call report so either you lie or dont know what the hell you are talking about or the police lie cus i am not a part of the cult nor to i go there. i just went to check on your info. just remember i know who you are but you dont know who i am. hahaha

Posted by: I can't forget on May 30, 2008 at 01:33 PM
Leona, anyone can see that you are deceived. Why? Because you said, "These things were all hid from us." Yes you were kept from things your group told you were wrong and sinful, but you were also kept from the truth. As a result, you are extremely biased in your worldview. You need to know that there is another side to the story. The religion rama created is an extremely deceptive, destructive, and twisted lie. You have to put poison in good meat, or the innocent animal won't eat it. The worst lies are semi-truths (a wolf in sheep's clothing). The wool is pulled over your eyes, and rama's eyes, too. The greatest deceivers are those that are deceived themselves. There seems to be a constant debate here, as to whether or not abuse has or is now occurring in the group. Yes, it is occurring! Check the Shawano police records from September of last year. Leona, a child was removed from your parents' basement as a result of a severe beating. Were you aware of that? Serious abuse has occurred and is taking place now! Perhaps the worst is the emotional abuse. There are mothers crying -- they have not seen their children for 33 years. There are fathers who have died waiting to see their sons and daughters return, and the children have not even attended the funerals. Today children are being taught to hate their parents. Today children are being taught to not speak to their parents. Today mothers are sobbing, wondering when/if they will ever see their children and grandchildren. Horrible abuse is occurring NOW! The tears of many are soaking the ground, and cries of the abused are arising to the Lord Jesus, the Righteous Judge, whose eyes are like fire and face like lightening. They will be heard and answered. We convene the court of Heaven and cry out for justice, justice, justice! THANK YOU, WSAW, for caring enough to expose this sad situation that has existed for far too long in Shawano.

Posted by: to Move On Location: love my life on May 30, 2008 at 07:00 AM
im not bitter, just angry every now n then when i hear about rama. I'll "move on" when he stops the slave labor and untites families instead of destroys them

Posted by: Gail Location: MN on May 29, 2008 at 08:19 PM
Hi MOVE ON! No, I don't know that nobody held a gun to Zillah's head. How could you possibly say that you know this? How could Rama possibly say it was a lie? He wasn't there; it happened in the basement of one of the Brethren. What I do know is that Zillah told Thor and Thor told Rama. I know that Rama called it a lie upon hearing it. He directed Thor in the punishment Zillah was to have for this "lie". I know that Thor beat her severely. I know that Rama told us the beating would work toward saving her soul. I know that Rama assured Thor afterwards that it was necessary and good. But Rama knew it was true, and not a lie. That's why Zillah was beaten so awfully. He did not disapprove the violence nor the abuse of it; he disapproved of her telling it. It was too much truth. It was telling on him. It would expose him. It wasn't the person holding the gun he was protecting. He was protecting and hiding himself... sadistic coward, giving her to punishment in his place.

Posted by: TO all those CONCERNED on May 29, 2008 at 02:47 PM
Everybody is going on and on about these alleged tall tales of abuse that get more outrageous with the passing of time. For everybody's information - to anybody who is sincere and not just snoopy with a bitter bias, You are free to visit and see for yourself what goes on. To all those bitter "ex-members", there are Many, many people who have more or less left over the years and they come back for meetings, etc. from time to time. (of course they do not hold the bitterness and hate that I've seen displayed here) However, if you really are concerned about abuse, etc., why don't you see for yourself?

Posted by: MOVE ON! Location: Getting on with my life! on May 29, 2008 at 02:01 PM
Especially, Gail even you know, if you will be honest, that NOBODY held a gun to Zillah's head! Br never ever encouraged guns (even Uzis) and my parents would never even allow my brothers a gun for hunting! The only people that had guns that I ever knew of (and I'm older than Zillah)were Matthew and Grant and both are gone! Moreover, everybody honest knows Elina never sat in any hole for three days! much less one day without food and bathroom. I am also several years older than Elina and I can't remember any deep holes she describes, and I know for a fact that my family stayed in Shawano a lot more than hers did. People need to get honest with themselves here/ quit being bitter and move on!!! It's true what another writer wrote - there is NO ABUSE going on! Times have changed/ practices have changed and kids basically play all they want! People even go to the restroom during meeting if they need too! Imagine that! MOVE ON and DROP the BITTERNESS - IT's only eating you alive!

Posted by: MOVE ON! Location: Getting on with my life! on May 29, 2008 at 01:51 PM
What does everybody keeping harping on about this alleged abuse!?? It's so out of touch and ridiculous! When I was in 1st grade my public school teacher also made me put my nose to the wall many times - one time because I was so shy when it was my turn for show 'n tell I stood in front of the class with a blank mind - I was shy and couldn't think of a thing to say! The teacher yelled at me as though I was bad and made me stick my nose to the board. Another time she dumped my entire desk out onto the floor because she was mad! Today, a teacher would be fired for this type of practice - back then (1980)nobody thought anything of it! Times march on and with time, people and acceptable practices change. It seems to me that some people here are so bitter they intentionally and repeatedly dredge up the past telling their tale over and over - each time it grows bigger and more colorful until it is totally false!

Posted by: Laura Location: Shawano on May 29, 2008 at 01:11 PM
dangg living in shawano is kinda scary now.. knowing that all that stuff goes on in my little community.. SCARY

Posted by: Questioning Location: Not far from Shawno on May 28, 2008 at 01:33 PM
Is this true? "to Sandy: did you conveniently forget that you used to use a cattle prod on your first husband to keep him awake in the meetings?"

Posted by: True Disciple on May 28, 2008 at 12:42 PM
We need to ask Jesus to take a "whip of cords" after "money-changing" Rama and chase him out of the Brethren's "Temple" aka Meeting Room. John 2:13-17. "My house shall be called a house of prayer, but you make it a den of robbers." Matthew 21:12-13

Posted by: Sheela on May 28, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Oh yeah, and by the way, she didn't steal her husband from her sister so get your facts straight. Keep out of something you know nothing about.

Posted by: Sheela on May 28, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Who ever is “to Sweet and Innocent Leona”, you seem concerned over something that is none of your business. You are trying to hurt someone with words. At least she has some